'Ineffable' relates both to the existence of the 'thing' or experience to be described, and the inadequacy of human language to describe that 'thing' or experience. One naturally wonders what might exist in the universe that fits this characterization, such that we have only vague glimpses of something that seems to be important but have no idea what that something is. Virtually all of modern physics and cosmology is ineffable in this sense. We have wonderful concepts supported by wonderful mathematics, but at the end of the day we really have no idea what it is that we are talking about; but it sure seems important! It would seem that whether one is talking about 'God,' 'the Higgs field,' or the Multiverse, 'the ineffable' is a kind of placeholder for the awe of human ignorance. ____________________________________________
But fuck the ineffable.
We have enough trouble as it is with what *can* be said.
COMMENT: That, of course, is the temptation when frustration sets in. But, again, it is these transcendental glimpses of the ineffable that keeps us interested and throwing out words against the wall in hopes something will finally stick. ____________________________________________
(‘It is what it is’ is mostly all we can say, leaving all kinds of room for dreary ol’ human psychopathy.)
COMMENT: Well, one has to wonder just where the line is to be drawn with respect to one's transcendent glimpses and psychopathy. After all, "it is what it is," neither denies the ineffable, nor explains it. Perhaps the best approach is to just sit back and enjoy the ride, without worrying too much about meanings. I wish I could do that.
I was going to say that the genocidal nature of Mormon God is the one thing the church got right, for Jehovah flooded the earth to kill all but eight humans, ordered the Israelites to kill all the inhabitants of Canaan, ordered the execution of surly teenagers who yelled at their parents, etc.
A God's first responsibility is to at least keep things a little bit interesting.
BoM God was only Psycho-lite really and got bogged down in the "yea verily's" and "it came to passes's" until not even the revolving skin colors could save the book.
Modern Mormon God is about the laziest God ever. He's more like a really annoying Mother-In-Law you are stuck with at the familyu reunion. How do you be that shallow and mean and still that boring?
in 3rd nephi the author of the book of mormon has MormonJesus® destroy all evidence of the author's crime of having made the whole thing up ~
the author of the book of mormon has spent the first 4/5ths of the book describing all sorts of things ~
like great cities and temples, chariots, swords, armor, coins, terrible battles, records written on metal plates, and so on and so on ~
then in 3rd nephi the author of the book of mormon uses MormonJesus® as a plot devise to go on an infantile rampage and destroy all the above (in a very un-christian-like manner) just in case some archeologist should ever go looking for any of it ~
I don't understand why you would create beings with the ability to disobey if obedience was what you wanted. Like, fine, if you want to give them free will because you want them to CHOOSE you. But why punish those who didn't? You gave them the choice. There has to be the ability to say "no", otherwise it's coercion, extortion, and abuse, which are not actually free will.
Like, I'll buy into the universe creator being needed by mankind and THAT'S why you might worship it. But in Mormonism and Christianity, it sounds like this god needs US, like psychologically, emotionally he's codependent. I think the best I can do for Mormon god is set my boundaries and stick to them so he'll learn to take charge of his own feelings.