Recovery Board  : RfM
Recovery from Mormonism (RfM) discussion forum. 
Go to Topic: PreviousNext
Go to: Forum ListMessage ListNew TopicSearchLog In
Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 12:37PM

All of these fundie EV churches are involved with some kind of graft or fraud.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/florida-bleach-covid-19-cure-b2379013.html

A Florida family has been found guilty of selling toxic industrial bleach as a fake cure for Covid-19 via their online church.

Four members of the family were convicted on Wednesday by a federal jury in Miami – Mark Grenon, 65, and his sons, Jonathan, 37, Joseph, 35, and Jordan, 29, according to the AP.

They were found guilty of conspiring to defraud the United States and deliver misbranded drugs, court records state. The charge carries a sentence of as much as five years in prison. The sentencing is set to take place on 6 October.

While the Grenons represented themselves during their trial, which lasted two days, they chose not to speak, according to the Miami Herald.

Joseph Grenon said the family would be appealing the guilty verdict.

Prosecutors referred to the Grenon family as “con men” and “snake-oil salesmen,” adding that their Genesis II Church of Health and Healing sold $1m of what they called their Miracle Mineral Solution.

They said in videos that the solution would cure 95 per cent of known diseases, such as Covid-19, Alzheimer’s, autism, brain cancer, HIV/AIDS, and multiple sclerosis, according to prosetuors.

But what they were selling was chlorine dioxide, which becomes a bleach when it’s ingested and it’s usually used for treating textiles, industrial water, pulp, and paper, the Food and Drug Administration states.

A federal judge in Miami ordered them to stop selling the substance in 2020, but the so-called church ignored the measure.

Jonathan and Jordan Grenon were detained in Bradenton south of Tampa Bay, while Mark and Joseph Grenon were arrested and extradited to the US after fleeing to Colombia.

Jonathan and Jordan Grenon have also been convicted of violating federal court orders instructing them to stop selling the “solution” in 2020.

But US authorities agreed to drop those same contempt charges against Mark and Joseph Grenon when they were extradited from Colombia.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 01:21PM

They are a Florida family, not a "church family".


"Prosecutor says family ‘created a fake church to make it harder for the Food and Drug Administration and government to stop them from selling snake oil’"

Fake church - right in the headline.

So it wasn't a church pushing a fake cure.

It was a fake church selling a lie for profit.

Therefore, I wouldn't call them a "church family".

The prosecutor said "...they “created a fake church to make it harder for the Food and Drug Administration and government to stop them from selling snake oil”.

“This was no church,” he said. “This was a scam for money, an old-fashioned scam.”


On another note: "They said in videos that the solution would cure 95 per cent of known diseases, such as Covid-19, Alzheimer’s, autism, brain cancer, HIV/AIDS, and multiple sclerosis, according to prosecutors."

It is beyond pitiful that ANYBODY ANYWHERE would actually believe these claims.

What - is there a worldwide conspiracy amongst millions of scammers (aka physicians and scientists and researchers) to withhold known cures for dread diseases?

Oh wait, some people actually do believe that. The drug companies want to keep us sick so they can keep selling their products. Yeah, that works - until their customers die that is.

Pitiful.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 01:27PM

And my other point is that the Mormon church started out the same way -- as a deliberate fraud to make money from the gullible.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Soft Machine ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:46PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Eric K ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:07PM

I believe this is the same group that promoted their produce with tfg. Tfg stated that we should drink bleach as a cure for Covid at a press conference after some recent correspondence and/or meetings with these frauds. Crazy time.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:23PM

Yes, I think they were.

And Mormon grifting goes back to the beginning.

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/36486/pg36486.txt

Having listened with due attention to the instructions of my host, I
walked over to the store, where the storekeeper expressed his readiness
to show me the mummies. Accordingly he led the way to a small house, the
residence of the prophet's mother. On entering the dwelling, I was
introduced to this eminent personage as a traveller from England,
desirous of seeing the wonders of Nauvoo. She welcomed me to the holy
city, and told me that here I might see what great things the Lord had
done for his people. "I am old," she said, "and I shall soon stand
before the judgment-seat of Christ; but what I say to you now, I would
say on my death-bed. My son Joseph has had revelations from God since he
was a boy, and he is indeed a true prophet of Jehovah. The angel of the
Lord appeared to him fifteen years since, and shewed him the cave where
the original golden plates of the book of Mormon were deposited. He
shewed him also the Urim and Thummim, by which he might understand the
meaning of the inscriptions on the plates, and he shewed him the golden
breastplate of the high priesthood. My son received these precious
gifts, he interpreted the holy record, and now the believers in that
revelation are more than a hundred thousand in number. I have myself
seen and handled the golden plates; they are about eight inches long,
and six wide; some of them are sealed together and are not to be opened,
and some of them are loose. They are all connected by a ring which
passes through a hole at the end of each plate, and are covered with
letters beautifully engraved. I have seen and felt also the Urim and
Thummim. They resemble two large bright diamonds set in a bow like a
pair of spectacles. My son puts these over his eyes when he reads
unknown languages, and they enable him to interpret them in English. I
have likewise carried in my hands the sacred breastplate. It is composed
of pure gold, and is made to fit the breast very exactly."

While the old woman was thus delivering herself, I fixed my eyes
steadily upon her. She faltered, and seemed unwilling to meet my glance;
but gradually recovered her self-possession. The melancholy thought
entered my mind, that this poor old creature was not simply a dupe of
her son's knavery; but that she had taken an active part in the
deception. Several English and American women were in the room, and
seemed to treat her with profound veneration.


-- Henry Caswall, "Three Days At Nauvoo" (1842)

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:34PM

Eric K Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I believe this is the same group that promoted
> their produce with tfg. Tfg stated that we
> should drink bleach as a cure for Covid at a press
> conference after some recent correspondence and/or
> meetings with these frauds. Crazy time.

Oh, that is interesting. I thought he just made it up through sheer ignorance. But no, seems as though one of his learned contacts informed him (but not the medical world) about this miracle cure.

Interesting that he used the word 'bleach' in front of all the world. You wouldn't think the fraudsters hawking the product would disclose the secret ingredient right out loud like that.

The absolute most charitable explanation is that they didn't know the content? Because who doesn't know that humans ingesting bleach is a Terrible Idea?

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: blackcoatsdaughter ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:30PM

What is worse than a conman? An ignorant conman who doesn't even realize what he's selling.

That's the charitable view. That they didn't understand/believe that drinking this chemical substance would harm people. Because if they knew, you'd think they'd do the smarter thing and sell sugar water, so that their patsies don't die and will continue to pay for their yummy treatments.

Options: ReplyQuote
Posted by: anybody ( )
Date: July 20, 2023 03:49PM


Options: ReplyQuote
Go to Topic: PreviousNext
Go to: Forum ListMessage ListNew TopicSearchLog In


Screen Name: 
Your Email (optional): 
Subject: 
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
  *******   **      **  **         **      **  **    ** 
 **     **  **  **  **  **    **   **  **  **  **   **  
        **  **  **  **  **    **   **  **  **  **  **   
  *******   **  **  **  **    **   **  **  **  *****    
        **  **  **  **  *********  **  **  **  **  **   
 **     **  **  **  **        **   **  **  **  **   **  
  *******    ***  ***         **    ***  ***   **    **