After the latest hire of a liberal church spokesperson the more traditional church members are wondering what the church is becoming. Not only is the church losing its more secular members, it’s losing its more traditional ones. The church seems to have no idea what it really stands for anymore. Maybe the church never understood that. It’s always been a make it up as you go adventure.

The Reorganized Church lost a third of its membership by going too liberal too soon. Either Russ is out to lunch or he wants a more liberal church. The conservative members are starting to complain.

The church investment side will continue to make money. Maybe running a real estate empire is the end destination for the church.

Maybe they should open a line of stylish silverware.

They could revoke correlation and go back to the 1950s.

When I as growing up in the church half of it was activities. We only had one temple in the whole state so other than marriages and the occasional temple trip it was not in the mix. We had church dances, plays, roadshows, sports, campouts and picnics. Correlation killed all that. Now it’s pay, pray and obey and go to the temple.

The ladder to 'higher callings' doesn't seem to mandate or even include 1:1 caring or empathy new-testiment style, they all present as Company Men...

Rubicon Wrote:
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> After the latest hire of a liberal church
> spokesperson

There's nothing "liberal" about him. His job is to make nasty tobacco corporations and shadowy international groups look as they're working in the public interest. He is an elitist who has spent his life among billionaires and the like.

> It’s always been a make it up as you go adventure.

This is true.

Liberal today isn’t what it was. Liberalism today is very much in bed with the corporations and elitist groups.

Rubicon Wrote:
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> Liberal today isn’t what it was. Liberalism
> today is very much in bed with the corporations
> and elitist groups.

Then it isn't Liberalism. The name Liberal Democrats is/was used for a Fascist group in one country and for a boring party in perpetual government in Japan. Neither seems to be very liberal.

In what country was/is there a fascist group called liberal democrats?

Rubicon Wrote:
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> Liberalism
> today is very much in bed with the corporations
> and elitist groups.

As opposed to conservatives, who are in bed with failed real estate magnates, the Koch brothers, the Mercers, billionaire donors to right-wing supreme court justices, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Bill Ackman?

It may be a good idea to look beyond the stereotypes propagated by right-wing news sources to see who exactly stands behind the parties.

The trouble with Rusty's plan to turn the church into just another Christian church, is that once you do that, there are plenty of Christian churches from which to choose. The only really special thing that the Mormons have is the temples. What's the plan if interest in the temples dies out?

Temples & sealings apply to couples who have / (think they have) ‘perfect marriages-relationships..

btw, do they still insist that couples be married for a year before being sealed?

What about unmarried couples???

And they appeal to couple in trouble / having challenges who are led to believe that temple attendance will resolve problems ...
Yeah Right!



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You nailed the problem. Once the members get sick and tired of temples now what? The temple illusion worked when there were only a couple of them.

Excellent post.

This cultural/social transformation of the LDS Church is fascinating to watch, right before our eyes, as a first hand historical witnesses.

Yes, some members are leaving because it won't unabashedly embrace homosexuality/transgender/various pop culture sexual identities of the week, etc. Others are disillusioned that it seems to be slowly but surely embracing some pop culture ideologies, and also that ward functions, activities, and culture are fading away.

Seeing the crowd in a general conference where it is about half full is kind of sad. This giant state of the art edifice holding a shell of previous attendance.

Like how slow history was from about mid-1960s until the modern mobile phone era, where history moves ever more quickly, and changes our very world right before our eyes.

They managed to alienate both sides with that stupid and hurtful ruling about the children of gay parents and had to backtrack on it. Here's another Catch 22 – it doesn't matter how cute the church wants to appear, the future president Dallin H. Oaks endorsed gay conversion therapy at BYU.

Oh and their handling of 2020 and 2021 issues has driven away half their membership. They more or less told the elderly stalwarts of the church that they were in great danger if they attended any of their services in person.

They also have a massive abuse scandal waiting in the wings.

"The mormon church is all façade, no filling."

                    --Nancy Wilson, guitarist

Dammit! I knew invoking the word Rivendell would lead to this.