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4 days ago
cludgie
The amazing / not-so-amazing thing is that the church named their law school after a Nazi sympathizer.
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4 days ago
cludgie
Does the church believe that "all press is good press?" Or do they kinda not like this sort of story?
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15 days ago
cludgie
I think that by now, it must have occurred to the leaders of the Mormon church that they made a blunder when they used the benign term "correlation" to wrest control of the church by a few old men, yanking away, for instance, the Relief Society from the women, so that they could better control individual female thought--which, I guess, must have been way too dangerous for the old men to
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15 days ago
cludgie
Well, according to Grant Palmer, fully 25% of the BoM was lifted word for word from the KJV--I think he said from the 1769 edition of the KJV, or something like that. So, in order to maintain the continuity and making it square with the BoM, Mormons insist that members use the KJV, even if it's the most incorrect English translation of all the other English translations. Despite that, Mormons lov
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15 days ago
cludgie
It means inner peace, but family difficulties. That's pretty normal, I think. I can't believe I once supported the religion, knowing I didn't completely believe, but feeling that it was rich in "good family values." Stupid, stupid, stupid *bangs head on table*.
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15 days ago
cludgie
One should always be just a little bit cautious here when considering black and white peoples. Original homo sapiens sapiens were not necessarily black, but they certainly weren't white. Northern Africans were part of the Mediterranean brown-skinned people now considered "white"; southern Italians are white, no matter how dark their skin or tightly coiled their hair. Regarding black-
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19 days ago
cludgie
I see the possibility of a lawsuit.
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19 days ago
cludgie
Just like the KJV uses archaic English, which somehow makes Mormons believe in it even more, the Italian Diodati Bible version uses archaic Italian. It's like reading Dante, or something. When I was on a mission to Italy in the late 1960's, we had maybe three versions in use, because no one had stipulated which to use. But the Diodati version became more and more popular among American members in
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28 days ago
cludgie
Today's "first vision" story was codified by "the Brethern" in what? 1856, I think, 12 years after Smith's death.
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28 days ago
cludgie
But what if boys masturbate over having seen your shoulders? That would make you burn in hell.
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4 weeks ago
cludgie
People in general do not appreciate how many millions or billions the LDS church makes/has made in water rights. Remember, for instance, that the Mormon church owns all the water that serves North Las Vegas. The senior owners of water rights in Utah and neighboring areas, and that's the Mormon church, the original owner of all regional water rights. They see nothing wrong with playing hardball wi
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4 weeks ago
cludgie
That is a great motivator to be attracted to a black man or woman. With me, it was my extraordinarily racist roommates at BYU calling all blacks "monkeys," and such. I made the mistake of saying that certain black women celebrities were beautiful, not "monkeys." Ooh, that was a sinful comment, apparently. It came close to physical confrontation. Like with you, this set me u
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4 weeks ago
cludgie
I just enjoy the fact that we've all learned that coffee has no negative effects. It certainly is no reason for God to destroy a family because someone drinks coffee for breakfast.
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4 weeks ago
cludgie
We will likely never know the truth about Pratt and the MMM. The church keeps coming up with new stories meant to exonerate the church, Pratt, and Young. They've muddied the waters considerably, never taking responsibility, and always finding new people to blame.
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4 weeks ago
cludgie
They will consolidate or have already consolidatee the two stakes, possibly even with a third stake, as well. Now look for the story in Church News, and I predict that you will find a headline that will reads something like, "Church Creates New Stake in San Diego."
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
...you never have to listen to "Go, My Son" anymore? It was like the BYU theme song during the time I went to BYU.
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
To see how much Mormons favor/favored prejudice and racism, all you have to do is look at some of BYU's most important institutions: 1.) The Harold B. Lee library: HBL was the man who objected to allowing black students at BYU. Why not? His was a pretty sad and way-too-common reason: "What if your daughter dates and falls in love with a 'Negro?'" 2.) The J. Ruben Clark law school:
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
Pray into one hand, sh*t in the other; see which hand fills up faster.
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
People don't seem to know that, while God will allow children to be abused and murdered, He really can't handle it when when people drink coffee.
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
The general authorities... Color them guilty. I think they are just trying to buy some good vibes from the Black community. It changes nothing. Nelson is still a racist, so long as he doesn't repeal and expunge the whole prior racism by the church, and apologize for the sick doctrine.
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
Likewise. I believe they really are on their way to irrelevance. And if that happens, what tack will they take to win back support? I think that, as they face irrelevance, were going to see more "revelations" and other tap-dancing bullshit. Gays are no longer as fearful as they were in my time. In the 1960's in my high school way out in America's outback, gay kids were hunted and ha
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
Typical religious guy thing to blame homosexuality on having a weak or non-existent father, an over-bearing mother, too many sisters, too few sisters, an impoverished childhood, a childhood with too many privileges that spoil the kid,... Etc., etc. I am ashamed that, in my teen years, I believed a lot of this. Church leaders were my heroes. Now they're just self-important attorneys and businessme
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5 weeks ago
cludgie
...in our uniform, ankle-length skirts! https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/mormonism-in-pictures-temple-square-attracts-millions-of-visitors-14-june-2013
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
My favorite is the Strangite church (of very few members) who use the lack of a hyphen to get away with using the full name of the LDS church: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints." That must really frustrate Kirton McConkie.
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
Exactly! And I would swear that we heard far fewer lessons about sinning and sex back then. Now there is a greater effort to control, and to take responsibility from wards and stakes so that leaders in SLC could be in charge of your ward. What they've done is really damaging.
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
Coincidentally, NormaRae and I were in the same stake, although we probably lived an hour and a half from each other. Big stakes back then. I remember the box lunches very fondly; they were sold outside in one of the courtyards of the stake center. Back then, local leaders and church members tried to provide some sort of comfort to those who drove in from Barstow, and other far-away towns, becaus
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
See Delbert Stapley's letter to George Romney, a fan of the Civil Rights Act, criticizing Romney by telling him what the church thought of "Negroes" and the Civil Rights Act. Hint: The church was not in favor of giving Blacks the same rights as white people. Go figure
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
My best friend even had sex with a girl up on the stage in the building. It scared him really badly, so he confessed to the bishop. The bishop brought the girl in, but she denied everything, and never got into trouble. My friend was preparing for a mission, so the bishop delayed it by one year. After he was on his mission to Mexica, he and his companion were alone with two girls, with whom he and
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6 weeks ago
cludgie
Pray into one hand, and shit in the other, and see which hand fills up faster.
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