Just wanted to say that I read everything you wrote and wanted to thank you for being so willing to share. Though I've been out of the church for 10+ years, I'm also new to this group. (Ok, I used to post years ago under a different username but I'm back now because my kids are approaching school age and I live in Utah.) The one part of your story that especially resonated with me was about h
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Lol... seriously. I always wonder why they don't push rice instead. At least that way all you'd have to do is find a pot, some water, and a heat source. Incidentally, my parents have well over a thousand pounds of wheat in food storage. (White AND red, mind you.) Also, lousy with dried milk and various beans. Slowly accumulated over the last 40+ years.
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1) Where/when did you live that adultery had such dire consequences?? 2) Many people are adopted as babies and raised in very good and loving homes. Happens all the time. 3) If you want to believe that societal stability is an illusion, you're entitled to your POV. I'm not going to argue with you.
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Alright Internet Stranger... take it easy. So your parents had an affair and because of 'societal stability' they couldn't keep you around? Too embarrassing or something? And evidently your adopted family turned out to not be so great either? Look, that's horrible. And I'm very sorry. Nobody should have to through something like that.
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tankeryanker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Both of my parents were married, but not to each > other. Because this doesn't fit into the "societal > stability" of marriage, I was placed for adoption. > This did not make me stable. It made me sad and > made me lose my family. I'm sorry but you lost me here. Probably perfectly clea
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Sunday morning I was sitting on my couch, sipping my coffee, and watching my little kids play. I felt good. Peaceful. Content. Outside, I could see my TBM neighbors running in and out of the house, wrangling children, attempting to get to church on time. And I noticed I felt pity. I actually felt sorry for those poor bastards. Rushing, rushing, rushing… and for what? What a
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned raising children. I thought that was the primary reason to get married. Societal stability and all of that.
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We used to disregard those all the time when I was a missionary because we 'weren't selling anything'. <facepalm> And people wonder why I feel ashamed of my time spent as a missionary...
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> I have been memorizing poetry and > prose and other information, to flush out all the > fake scriptures, stupid couplets, Primary chants, > and dreary Mormon hymn lyrics. I did this too and for the same reasons. And I believe it really did help to rewrite my emotional brain. Only possible difference is I focused more on music and lyrics. I'd find music that I really li
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n/t
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Man I wish. Back in the day I made several attempts with close friends and family but in every case it went very badly. Relationships were damaged and - if anything - they only became more entrenched. (Probably just me... I always was a shitty proselytizer.) However, I have come across a handful of old friends and acquaintances who managed to find their own ways out! And, in my experience,
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janis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One thing I know for sure from watching others, if > you can't let go of being the parent, or them > being the child, you will have never-ending > problems. Get over the fact that they were once > teens that drove you crazy. Yes, I think this is basically what I'm driving at when it comes to the relati
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Man, that really sucks Free Man. Are you looking for an adopted son by any chance? Your small farm operation sounds awesome to me and I'd love to bring my little kids along to experience all of that. Sorry your kids don't feel the same.
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Thanks everyone for your comments. As I've thought more about this today, it's dawned on me that things are actually pretty decent with my parents. Especially compared to how things used to be. I mean, when it comes right down to it, what do I really expect? I think it's more of a pipe dream honestly. As a couple of you posted above, I'd love to: 1) Have this type of relationship wit
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One of my greatest hopes is to one day have a great adult-to-adult relationship with my kids. Has anyone here pulled that off? I mean, you raised your kids outside the church, they are now grownups, and you've managed to transition to more of a grown up type of relationship with them. One of my greatest laments is that I don't think I'll ever be able to have that type of relationship with my
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That is the other thing. We're in Layton, right next to Hill Air Force Base. So I'm hoping there will already be much more diversity built in. It does seem that way - living here for the last 5+ years - but I'm still holding my breath for when my kids actually have to go to school and live it first hand. I grew up in uber-Mormon southeast Idaho and I know Layton is at least a significant step
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This is good advice. Now, how can I make sure my kid ends up in a class with a kindergarten teacher like you? I'm afraid she'll get the teacher who also happens to be the overzealous R.S. President.
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Yeah that's kind of what I'm expecting. I honestly don't think kids care at all about the religious issues until something like a baptism comes up. But that comes and goes pretty quickly. I am truly worried about the seminary/teenage years though. Speaking as one who grew up as an 'insider', I know I basically had zero thoughts about what church my friends belonged to or didn't belong to
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If you have a clear, specific idea of what you're trying to accomplish then I say go for it! Otherwise... might not be the best use of your time and resources imho.
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Yes, I remember lurking on some JW recovery group sites and being very surprised at the similarities. Probably shouldn't have been. A cult is a cult is a cult. Just a matter of degree. For that matter, reading about the Warren Jeff's fundamentalist group was equally eye-opening. Shades of grey...
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Hey everyone, I'll never forget how scared I was back in 2003ish when I was first visited the RFM board. I was literally shaking. But I'll also never forget how relieved I was to realize I wasn't alone in questioning TSCC. Fast forward to today. I'm well out of the church and married to a great woman who is staunchly non-religious. Life is good. However, I still live in Utah and my ki
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