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3 years ago
NormaRae
Hey, be glad the mormons are only doing it for a week. Some of my friends have been doing the November gratefulness challenge since the first of the month (haven't figured out how they got the idea to be grateful at Thanksgiving time without a profit-o-god to tell them to). But even though they're not mormon, most of them not even religious, it's been kind of annoying--a lot of self aggrandizing
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Before the mormons pulled out, over half the troops in the country were mormon. You do the math!
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Utah’s near-capacity ICUs are headline national news. They had a Utah doctor on the morning news today say that he had patients IN THE HOSPITAL who have tested positive who still don’t believe Covid is real. The news seems to leave out the fact that Utah has more anti-maskers and people openly defying the suggestions (not mandates) about large maskless social gatherings than any other state.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I feel the same way you do, knowing masks don’t prevent you from getting it as much as preventing you from spreading it. I don’t want to get it, but more than that, I don’t want to spread it if I were an asymptotic person. I don’t understand why so many people in Utah and Idaho don’t care whether they give it to someone else. But same here with the Evangelicals. I rarely, if ever now, s
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I can still see all the books on the bookshelf in my parents’ bedroom in the 70s. I spent so much time in there—-loved looking through the encyclopedias and set of children’s knowledge books that I’d give anything to have today. And I loved my mom’s collection of the old Relief Society Magazines. But I remember all the Cleon Skousen Books. I thought he was a General Authority because my
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3 years ago
NormaRae
The Utah anti-mask rallies and corresponding biggest spike in the country has been prominent in the news on my side of the Mississippi too. I’m sure my Utah tRump-lovin family members are anti-maskers. I’m so glad it will be gone in three more days.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
That is one ugly temple. If only there were something they could do with those billions that would be going for society.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I consider myself the same. Even though I often attend a religious service at one of two churches, I'm not a member and I don't consider myself religious. I do it because I draw some spirituality from it, as well as from other sources. Two years ago this month was the rock bottom of my life. Trust me, there had been times that I thought I'd hit rock bottom, but it really didn't happen until my
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I've heard the same thing on this side of the Mississippi. Infections are spiking rapidly on college campuses. The plus side of that is that the death rate hasn't risen as quickly, although it's rising. But the down side is that the holidays are coming up. Those cases are the demographic who generally don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves and are not cautious or have any concern
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3 years ago
NormaRae
That was my exact answer. We were taught to embrace the unbelievable and things that could easily be proven unfactual. It's actually an art to be able to do that. I know that in my younger days I could easily buy into conspiracy theories. Especially because everything was engineered by Satan to turn people away from the one and only true church. Not so easy to do now that I understand th
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I'm not the least bit surprised, but I wonder if it's more than that. How many mormon women get to adulthood before they really face the fact that they were abused. They're not taught that there are ways that are inappropriate for a family member to touch them, they're just taught that it's inappropriate for them to touch themselves that way. So they spend their whole teenage and young adult yea
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Cause the ONLY thing that really matters for the eternities to them can be easily done from home. Sending in the money.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
What’s profound and shocking to me is that after 19 years out of mormonism, I finally had a time where it hadn’t even occurred to me that it’s conference weekend. And it’s already a whole day passed. Guess cause I don’t religiously follow this site like I used to. But if there was an actual shock from the conference, could it have been that Dallin Hoaks finally professed his true se
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3 years ago
NormaRae
OK, I'll add one caveat to this. I do get riled if someone takes credit for someone else's healing because they prayed for them. That's when it's ok to punch them in the face. Like, "Of course, you beat that cancer, people all over the world were praying for you." And you want to scream, "Oh really? I thought it was because I subjected myself to all that dreadful chemo and r
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3 years ago
NormaRae
My feeling is that no one can have too many people praying for them, i.e. thinking about them. Maybe I'm weird, but it makes me feel good when people say "I'm praying for you." I don't think some supernatural being is going to convey blessings or healing on me based on the number of solicitations from believers that have been received. But I like that someone is thinking of me and sen
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I think it's just the opposite. In the olden days, the church was something that attracted fairly normal people. They could kind of blow off the weird stuff because the people were fun, the activities inclusive, and it felt welcoming. Now there really is nothing for anyone who didn't grow up in the cult. We had non-member kids come to things all the time, but that just doesn't happen anymor
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I am reading "Caste" right now for a book discusion I join in on with an Episcopalian church group. The book has really blown me away. Her writing and research is amazing. For one thing, it has really made me understand racism, how caste and race are intertwined but how racism is only a part of castism. I was especially intrigued by now Nazism was based on the US Jim Crow South an
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Maybe they should try a worldwide fast or something.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
I remember when I was first learning to read, maybe 1st or 2nd grade, we had talk cards for Jr. SS. They had a picture on the front and a little 2 or 3 paragraph "talk" on the back. We'd hold it up so they could see the pic and we'd read the talk. I'm sure they were put out by the church. Anyone else remember? I was so proud that I could read it perfectly.
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Wait a minute, they are actually GOING to church now? I know that in July they were doing in-home church because my niece was visiting me and she joined in by FaceTime. I hadn’t thought to ask my Mom if she is going into a church building. I know she will if that’s what they’ve been told to do. If there is anything she perfected in her 92 years, it’s obeying everything and anything a mor
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Ya know, I haven’t heard or seen on social media, much “last days” crap from mormons I’m connected to. I’m surprised that I haven’t even heard it from my mother who loves the phrase “you can sure see the signs of the last days.” Maybe even she recognizes that she’s been saying that her whole life (92 years)and the world doesn’t seem much worse to her now than it was in the 40s
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3 years ago
NormaRae
RANT WARNING: I seriously doubt that many, if any, of those cases are from students who are just going to class and coming home and keeping to themselves, taking all the safety precautions that we all know well at this point. They are adults. And all of us adults are responsible for what amount of risk we are willing to take. The only thing that might be unreasonable at BYU is if they are for
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Yes. A worldwide fast and prayer day coming to a PR channel near you. And remember to pay the extra fast offerings to God’s one and only true bank account so a fraction of it can go to victims of the fires. And the rest to the PR firm who will promote the news of them sending some “relief” to the poor souls who gave them free publicity. You know, by enduring a disaster that brought in more
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Some that come to mind that certainly would have triggered me: The Exorcist Paint Your Wagon Orgazmo Boy Erased My Own Private Idaho
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3 years ago
NormaRae
We used to have some really good ones posted here. I remember the first lines of some of them. "E're you left your room this morning, did you pray to think?" And "Mama, don't let your babies grow up to be thinkers."
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3 years ago
NormaRae
What I see is the similarities between how people think religiously and how they see their politics. People who are extreme fundamentalists in both politics and religion don't have a sense of how to reason. They use the approach to both of having a conclusion - the answer they want, and then go about finding "facts" to support their conclusion. Reasoning and especially scientific rea
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Back in the late 60s/early 70s we had a dance from 8:30-9:00 every week at the end of M.I.A. And we had stake dances about every other month. We always had live bands for the New Year's Eve dance and the Gold and Green Ball. And everyone dressed up, the big dances were formal. But there were no dress code Nazis. If a kid showed up without a tie or if a girl had a sleeveless dress or gown (we
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3 years ago
NormaRae
The last couple years of the draft, when they did the lottery, the church had a system of getting young men on missions FAST. I mean like a couple weeks from submitting papers to leaving. Back then, they'd announce in stake conference when a boy was made an Elder. I remember sitting in stake conference when they announced that my (later) boyfriend's brother was made an Elder. I was shocked. H
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3 years ago
NormaRae
This rumor that only two men per ward were allowed to be on a mission at one time was started when people started to be called as G.A.s who had not served missions and who were mission age during Vietnam. Most of them had not served in the military either, they had survived on college deferments. When that rumor started circulating it made no sense because I'd never heard of it at the time and
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3 years ago
NormaRae
Seriously? I don’t feel like the brain dead years I lost trying to follow the profit were the same as the years the young women who followed Bundy lost. I hate having to stick up for Rusty. But I have to if he’s gonna be lumped into the same category as Ted Bundy. Thanks a lot.
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