The spell is created by subliminal suggestions delivered in 'talks' by general authorities. They're not trying to get your approval. they couldn't care less about you. They're manipulating your will. The goal is to reinforce your belief system in TSCC, every time they speak. The people on this board know better. Do you see it?
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Dick Van Dyke is the greatest song-and-dance man ever. Watch Mary Poppins. Especially 'step in time'.
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Yes, I think Bednar's comment is a subtle way of excusing the lack of Temple attendance. It is perhaps intended to be subliminal. I think church leaders have used, and do make use of subliminal messages or 'suggestions' as used in hypnosis, to modify behavior of the followers, slowly, quietly. They are stuck with the 'one true church' story, which people are waking up to as phony. They can'
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Since I resigned, I haven't heard a word from anyone, and I like it that way. They're still trying to save (reactivate) you, because you talk about your 'sins', not the things that bother them the most. I've found the best way to get everyone to shut up and run away from you is to talk about the following: 1. The golden plates were imaginary. There never were any physical plates. The 'wi
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They need you to play their game. They Need communal reinforcement (testimony) from you. You're not providing that (neither did I). If you're not helping to hold the Mormon edifice together, they don't have a use for you.
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Living an authentic life is not always easy. Truth is sometimes inconvenient, but living a fantasy your entire life is soul-crushing. Sometimes you have to leave significant people behind
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The Smith's lost their home in Vermont, then lost their home in New York. Joseph grew up in this environment seeing how hard it was, at least for his family, to be successful in the world. He didn't want to end up like his father: working himself to death, and still unable to make mortgage payments. But he knew that some held the belief that money was buried in various places in upper New Y
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When someone stops coming to church, one of two things usually happen. They are either love-bombed by a few members, or totally ignored. When I stopped attending the ward I had been attending for thirteen years, the silence was almost deafening. I was a faithful member, a full tithe payer, recommend holder, and held many callings over the years. I was one of the ward members who came to church we
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She's not ready to see the truth about her church. People do not want their belief systems challenged. They get defensive or dismissive. If she becomes unhappy with the church she'll be more open to critical talk about the church, which she 'knows' is true. And it may still happen.
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Truth does not need to be copyrighted, and needs no defense. Only lies need defending. Like people telling each other, "I know with every fiber of my being the church is true". Lies wither and die. Truth cannot be stopped. It is always unfolding, like it or not. The Mormon church is temporary. An elaborate hoax. It will be a footnote someday.
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It's symbolic of the church drying up, and the toxic aftermath.
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There were no Lamanites. Or Nephites. The 'plates' were imaginary. You probably know this already, but the entire veracity of the Mormon church hinges on the reality of golden plates. There never were any physical plates. Don't take my word for it. Look into it and see.
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There was a young prophet named Joe whose libido was running the show His passion for beavers of buxom believers brought fame that continues to grow. He was part Irish I think. If you have something to add, please do.
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Well, converts are like illegal immigrants. They do the jobs that 'real' Mormons don't want to do. Generational Mormons are groomed for leadership because they're safe. They have too much to lose if they go off the reservation (apostatize), so they faithfully carry on the illusion of 'we're the true church'. Converts like me grew up without Mormon influence. We don't have a whole lineage of Mo
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I think they know they have hit their high water mark. It doesn't really matter. They've been investing tithing income for many years and have huge investments working for them. They only have to continue the illusion of being a church to maintain their tax-free status. Their investment income from real estate, businesses, stocks, etc. will sustain them.
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Even though I was a 'golden' convert and followed the program as faithfully as possible, after a few years, I felt like the church was making a fool out of me in the following ways: 1. Since I was not from Utah I would not advance much. 2. I worked for free when 'called'. 3. They took 10% of my money. 4. No matter how hard I worked, I was never good enough. 5. They make you feel guilty.
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Well yes, I could have been more specific. I have only belonged to two religions, Catholic and Mormon, both Christian, though I have more than a passing familiarity with non-dual traditions like Advaita Vedanta. The Catholic church is not as controlling as the Mormon church, but unconditional love is still quite a stretch for them.
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All religions have one central message, not usually stated, but resembling the following: ‘You need to improve, and you need us to help you. You’re no good just as you are. Do whatever we tell you and you’ll have great reward, disobey us and you will spend eternity in hell.’ This seems to me to be the opposite of what church is supposed to be. Shouldn't it be a place to learn love, forgiv
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Using simple math, you’ll see that virtually everyone is eliminated from the game called “reaching the highest degree of celestial glory.” The trick is not to play. Those who die before they are old enough to play (according to the rule book) get a free pass. Virtually everyone else is eliminated: 1st cut: One third of all God’s children are eliminated from the game while still in
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Some inactive Mormons, who don't like the church, stick around, perhaps feeling guilty at their 'inactive' status, because they believe Joseph actually dug physical plates out of the ground at Cumorah. The Mormon church's reason to exist hangs on this one event. If the plates were real, meaning physical, the church is indeed true, like it or not, regardless of messy doctrinal issues. But
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Good for you. I hoped it worked out well for you. Leaving the nest is harder in a strongly regulated society like Mormonism, but we all have to do it if we want to grow. The world has plenty of strange things to discover. It's my duty to investigate everything.
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You don't want to be a Mormon anymore, but you still like living among Mormons, who act as a buffer between you and the great unwashed, whom you don't understand, can't relate to. Leaving the nest is the best thing you can do for yourself. It is scary, but the rewards are great. Maybe it's time. Take a deep breath, just get away. Forget the whole thing. We don't know how much we don't k
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They wanted his affirmation that the church is true. Coming to church implies that you believe even if you don't bear a testimony. He wouldn't give it to them. They may not know why he left, and the unknown can be frightening.
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If there was no religion, someone would create one, then another, then another. We want to know where we came from, what we're doing here. Anyone with a decent answer may get followers. People are bored with logic and science. They want something special that shows us that God is there and is thinking about us (not necessarily doing anything or listening though). For many people, religion
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Yes, I agree. There's no need to waste energy punching holes in a sinking ship. The church is stuck with their 'one true church' story. Truth emerges with time, and those with made-up stories will have to change or die. So, just sit back, have a glass of wine, watch the tide come in, and enjoy the show.
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The Mormon church dislikes anti-Mormon narratives that try to undermine their authority. They love it when people notice them. Even if the attention they get is from a disparaging Broadway play like 'The Book of Mormon'. It makes them part of the conversation. What they simply cannot tolerate is your indifference to them and their claims of authority. They hate it when you just don't care.
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It would set a precedent if there was a judgement against the church. The LDS church claims to have the authority to collect your tithing in the name of the almighty. It's up to you whether you believe them or not. If you're dumb enough to cough up 10% of your income to them (like I was), that your business. Don't count on the legal system to save you.
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CrispingPin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As anyone who isn’t spiritually ignorant (or is > it “ignernt”?) knows, “pay lay ale” is > pure, Adamic language for “oh god, hear the > words of my mouth.” > > The “of my mouth” part always confused me. If > someone is hearing words, isn’t it assumed that > those wor
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Yes, that's him, thanks.
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