Choking up is a normal psychological response for someone who is not use to speaking in public. It is a nervous response for many especially young people. But older people who talk a lot in public should be use to talking in public and not tear up? IDK I'm baffled?
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What part would Obama disagree with? His mother and father had challenges with their "money, values, and traditions." They couldn't even stay together. right?
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Ok, being color blind may be more noble? But is that how most people really think? If people were comfortable with "mixing" then we wouldn't be having a border problem right now and everyone would be welcome. Mixed children are going to confront challenges. It's a tough cookie to chew ;)
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I agree with Heartless, These women in the Nauvoo period were rather poor. But... later on there are a few stories of the elders fleecing the flock in England later on during the time of Brigham Young. The Sam Branons in the English Mission house and others. Let me put it this way, there were more than one young lady who gave up the "family silver" for a sack of flower on route from
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Home Churchin could work for a lot of people. I expect though that there is a tendency to "back slide." Many of the Mormon fundi's do it because they just can't agree on stuff and know Warren Jeffs is out of his mind. The Duggar's from TLC 19 kids and counting do it. Jim Bob pasters all his strange family and some other weird people around there as well. May be he even gets irs kick
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Mormons generally follow the principle of have as many kids as possible but not support them hence Utah is 50th in per pupil spending. It's constantly drummed up here in the West that Education is so important and "Utah children are like a healthy garden," yap yap yap. The truth is sports is all that matters. Walk into any new high school and half the school premises will be devoted t
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One thing I can say, spoken from personal experience being slightly mixed race, is that it is in the best interest of posterity to keep your seed as pure as possible. The racist brotheren (like McConkie, Lee, Kimbal) were right. People should marry within their culture for the greatest chances for success now and through the generations. There will be a lot of tension that has to do with mone
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From my experience of witnessing the prejudices from the "greatest generation" up to the "millennials" is that nothing has changed here in Utah. People feel the same about color as they always have. You're just as likely to hear a high school student call someone a n-----r as to hear a WW2 vet talk about dirty Mexicans. Whites loath brown people, period. And brown people ar
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For an interesting little statement I recall from (Mormon D. pg 92) "there is not one historical instance of so called blood atonement in this dispensation" . I guess Mountain Meadows never happened, Bear River Massacre never happened, Morisite affair never happened, Babbit murder never happened, murder of the 2nd governor of Utah never happened, Samuel Smith poisoning, and countless o
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I'm from generations of Mormon intellectuals (People who put up with the mendacity in public but know differently in private). So what is taught never made much of a difference. I don't really care what doctrine about god is taught from the pulpit. Mean god, nice god, distant god, Adam god? What got me is when Hinckley announced City Creek. More money was wasted on pomp and pageantry than has
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There has long been legend of tunnels in Brigham. There is suppose to be a tunnel under the tabernacle. Polygamists would hide up in the tower and look out for the feds. They had means of travel through very long tunnels that started in the basement of the old tabernacle and went long distances away. There is also supposedly tunnels and bunkers in the old Indian Boarding School in Brigham. A
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Yes that's right coffee became a sin at the time of H.J. Grant. As far as I remember B.Y. hated gentiles and wanted mormons to only buy products manufactured in Utah at ZCMI so he was against coffee of course (funny he was willing to go against what he was preaching and build the Gardo House filled with "french" furnishings). That would be an interesting topic to search "why c
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Pioneers were taught a lot of strange things. Brigham said Jesus was killed by the mob because of his polygamous affairs. There was also the Adam God doctrine of how Adam is Heavenly Father (to me the temple endowment still leaves the Adam God doctrine as plausible) The biggest doctrines I remember was all the McConkie-ish Saturday warrior, Saturday evening of time, most valiant generation r
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My thought that they are using rhetoric that is probably more appropriate for people living like 5000 years ago when the bulk of humanity worshiped idols and nature. In ancient times they would call on the "name" of a diety through and idol, which would be an old powerful spirit for special help. But it doesn't make sense much in this modern world. I personally don't know anyone who
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One of the biggest stumbling blocks is that everyone has a different perception of what is porn. The Iranian/Iraqian Mahamadan's cover everything on their women, even the mouths of the women for fear of being enticed? There is an old american doctrine taught from most pulpits (before 1900) straight from Calvinism (and Catholicism) that says sex is evil and only to be done for conception other
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I can't remember knowing any Emma's. Even up until today. Utahna is a strange name that use to popular. Now days everyone is called Makayla, Mackenna, Makaylee, McKinlee, McKenzzie,
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I'm a nephew to Porter Rockwell, one of Brigham's dark angels, and one of the most famous gun fighters in the Mormon West. With the help of Edward Kimball and Lot Smith he defeated the U.S. Army in the Utah War. Legend has it he would shake his overcoat after killing an outlaw and the shells that were suppose to kill him would fall out from where they were lodged. Was an alcoholic who spent many
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I wonder where this preoccupation with the "M" word came from? My folks say back in the days of McKay it was never discussed or brought up. McKay was a refined gentleman, trained as an educator and didn't draw attention to the "big nasty." I'm guessing it was after Miracle of Forgiveness came out that the priesthood started their crusade against this bodily function. I'm suppr
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I honestly can't remember the last time a church leader has had anything to say about the environment and keeping things clean, economizing or trying not to pollute. Kimbal must have been the last to teach the whole pioneer doctrine of keeping your farm/yard pretty etc... How about downsizing in home construction. Do rich Mormons really need 4 car garages and 6000 sqr ft mcMansions?
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So I have the awesome priviledge to live in the heart of moridor behind zion's curtain, northern Utah. Because of this I get to see some of the business dealings of LDS inc (aka deseret management corp) that members in the "mission field" don't usually get a glimpse of. I've got a 2nd cousin who has lots of money, lives high on the "bench" as all good Mormons do here in Zi
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well for starters... 1) no more than one earring in an ear 2) tatoos are horrible 3) members must clean their own chapels 4) proposition 8 is really bad!!! 5) send younger (naive) missionaries out
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What I heard was that all the men except certain 'special' ones will be castrated eunuchs. j. fielding smith published that in Doctrines of Salvation. Mormonism tends to paint people into the corner and ugly notions tend to spring out of it.
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I did some work for a temp agency about 10 years ago that was contracted by "Jacobson" and hired by the LD$ Inc. Cleaning construction sites for chapels etc. The church gets away with a lot of cheap labor and crappy conditions because they subcontract everything. It's not like the old days when the community had values and built their own buildings. All the construction crews were Mexic
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Is it just me or does it seem like the church has so much money it doesn't really have a plan of what to do with it. Recent investment that come to mind: 1) $600,000,000 to buy 2% of Florida last year? 2) $5,000,000,000 money pit shopping mall with a "retractable roof sports stadium roof" at Temple square? 3) Untold millions for a land development residential project west of Woodscro
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Sad but true... They expect financial honesty from members but apparently have a double standard when their own pocket book is questioned.
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Did anyone see on fox 13 news yesterday that the church has disclosed on it's website that JS married underage girls. I was kind of surprised by the headlines. Fanny Alger and the other orphan servant girls should be common knowledge by now. Most everything the church is disclosing lately everyone should know about by now, right? But I was talking to a tbm family member and she holds to
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It's probably believed that these "seasoned" members are aware of the history and have already worked through their cognitive dissonance, if they were ever wicked enough to have any :) Years ago as I was learning Adam God doctrine I mentioned it to my 80 year old TBM grandmother who was bic, always ultra conservative, always active etc. She had no idea and never heard of it. Peo
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What I've seen is if a guy is over 6' handsome people see more credibility (they are given desired work assignments and tend to rise). And being blond helps. For gals if she is size 2, smart but not too smart, blond with a nice rack she'll have a greater chance winning in the marriage lottery and then be able to stay out of the "big bad world." The world is a beauty pageant, what
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Ya it's strange. Why did the church decide to buy 400,000 acres of Florida for $565,000,000? The church seems to have way more than it knows what to do with. I don't know how the church welfare system could possibly be profitable compared to private business. I mean think about it. You've got second rate volunteers running it. They are nothing like laborers or career professionals who get paid an
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The only comp that expressed major doubt/disgust was a ute/piute I was with for six weeks. His family had been baptised to satisfy BY and avoid getting getting murdered by those wonderfull Mormon Pioneers in S. Utah. All their land was stolen and he expressed hatred for BY. We spent all our time with investigators in the bible. He refused to open the BOM. Wonder why?
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