Probably more fun to push them overboard.
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FWIW, I think you are making a good choice.
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Good stories, you should post more. Remember we never know who's reading, and therefore who were helping.
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RR Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Probably just notes in their missionary area book. > > Yeah, just as RR explained. Nothing more sinister than that.
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Elder Berry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For a place with so many stakes funny no temple? Not funny to the Mormons in Scotland. ;o) The two temples in England are a constant reminder of the English-Scottish issue. The COB did consider a temple in Scotland. They had a (secret) plan to sell the Scottish Mission Office, Mission Presidents house, and m
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Because in the early days of Mormonism, joining the church was a way to escape the slums and poor living conditions in Scotland. People would do anything to get away and the promise of a new life in America was appealing to some. Joining the Mormons was a way to make that move.
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I used to be in the same branch as Stephen Kerr. He was the same age as my sisters so they'd hang out together.
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koriwhore Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Best question for Mormons, why do you sing the > praises of an adulterer, now that the church has > finally admitted he claimed the wives of at least > 11 of his followers wives as his own? Putting my Mormon excuse making hat back on - He never had sex with these women, it was purely a dynastic s
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Once you have got to the point of realization you have, my only advice would be to take it slow. Maybe ask thought provoking questions about difficult issues the Mormon church faces, but don't commit to showing your hand in any conversation on the subject. Feel out your children for issues they care about, and feel out your husband to see if he has any shelf items of his own that might be a
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Razortooth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have to ask: Do Mormon Scots wear garments under > their kilts? Depends upon the Mormon. Some do, some do not.
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I think the Scottish Mormons are starting to see the reality, ha ha ha: "it’s the sales spin that’s so frustrating. It’s so very obviously untrue, but they have to show positivity, and the sad and shocking situation is that some people actually believe it even though the evidence is in their very ward or branch every Sunday. Our wards are shrinking with long term life long members l
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3X Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > So, that's 5000 (or less) active members? The > stone rolleth forward. I'm going to state categorically there are not more than 3,000 active Mormons in Scotland. It's a small country and I'm aware of the ward and branch sizes. The stone is rolling in reverse in Scotland I think. Much like the rest of E
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And this one: "Thank you for saying so eloquently what many more lifelong Scottish members will be thinking after reading this article. We are being spun stories of how the church is growing in Scotland and we are looking around thinking “the emperor has no clothes on” we can see our wards are in decline. We can see buildings empty and I have heard my dad say he was to not report bac
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The first response I read to the article: "As one of those lifelong Scottish LDS church members, I must say that I'm disappointed by this article. Scotland does indeed have a rich Mormon heritage. Early immigrants from this great nation certainly played pivotal roles in the establishment of church colonies and growth within the Salt Lake valley. However, much of this article, or the m
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I saw this on my FB feed http://www.ldsliving.com/The-Faith-of-the-Scottish-Saints-How-the-View-of-the-Church-Is-Changing-in-Scotland/s/90176 It paints a wonderful picture of the strength of the church in Scotland. LOL
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Strength in the Loins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The Godmakers was complete and utter sh*t. I > think it actually had the effect of driving > questioning Mormons deeper into the cult as > opposed to luring them out of it. This^^^^^^ Absolutely true, Godmakers kept me in the cult, when facts and evidence would have got me out.
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But they already have the Power of Discernment and the Holy Ghost helping to catch out the undesirables entering the temple. LOL.
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pettigrew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > But activity in the UK might be more or less than > in Italy. Activity rates in England are about 20% Activity rates in Scotland are about 10%, reportedly the lowest in Western Europe. Edit: and again, I think the 10% full tithe payers is 10% of the active membership. Not the full number claimed b
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pettigrew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Church report on European membership showed > figures of 20% activity and of the claimed > membership number a rate of 10% adult tithe > payers. > > What is your ball park estimate based on? Just based upon what you wrote: 20% activity. 10% ADULT tithe payers. so from 26,000 claimed
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pettigrew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Going on the rates from the leaked 2017 Europe > Area Presidency report, there are likely less than > 2,500 temple recommend holding adult members in > Italy. I'd suggest less than 2,500 TR holders My ball park figure of 5,000 active people includes children and somewhat less devoted adults too. I
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in 2016, the LDS Church reported 25,956 members and 103 congregations. I'd guess that means maybe 5,000 active members with an average unit attendance of around 50. I think I'm being slightly generous, but it's a ball park figure.
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Brother Of Jerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Like calling her a spinster, a term severely out > of fashion for half a century now, and a term by > definition sexist, since there is no male > equivalent, and is a term that vaguely implies > failure. A 50 year old woman that is never married within Mormonism is considered a failure
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I think it is the keyboard army typing out facts and evidence of the fraud that is bringing down the beast.
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gettinreal Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > there were 30,500 congregations in 2017. that > would make for 8.19 TBMs per congregation. i > think that is fairly low. A fair chunk of the congregations outside the US are struggling branches. Attendances of 30-50 people. And in the Wards I know outside the US, even a larger ward with close to 100
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smirkorama Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > while the numbers you provided closes in on > reality, there is probably also a certain degree > of MORmON style "pulled it out of their ass" for a > fact / revelation technique going on by the LDS > GA. Yes, of course. I wasn't there for the conversation and can't confirm how it transpi
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The topic of how many people are active often comes up, and we know it is about 1/3 of the number claimed as Mormon, by the Mormon church. But the bigger question in my mind is how many actual adults could be considered the active, true believing, and Kool-Aid drinking Mormons. Assuming 5,000,000 regular attendees, there are a lot of children within that number, there are a lot of people wh
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I'm living in the South. Plenty of Utah Mormons have come down here for work. During the oil price crash recently a lot of them returned to Utah as the work down here evaporated. Now the oil price has risen, the jobs are available again and I see the same immigration of Utah folks. I don't recall many locals in the ward I attended, most people were transplants from somewhere or another.
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Loved your answers!
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angela Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I found Mormonism intellectually stagnating Absolutely. The problem with a mixed class is that the old timers will be bored out of their minds, while the recent converts might think there is something there to be learned. Quite the opposite of what was suggested above.
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What disillusioned me was that there was no advanced doctrine class for anybody. It was all milk and no meat. All the meat was never talked about after correlation because the meat was not faith promoting, and was anti-Mormon lies it seems.
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