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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 02:34PM

" . . . Here's a little more on Cliven Bundy, the Nevada rancher you raced to support two weeks ago, as federal agents sought to enforce a legal court order.

"Or put another way, the rancher who mooched off federal land for more two decades, refusing to pay the grazing fees that every rancher pays. . . .

"Here's little more about who you're standing with . . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/24/cliven-bundy-racist_n_5204821.html


"For those who don't want to listen to the video, here's what he said:

"'I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,' he said, He then recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"'And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?' he asked. 'They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom.'

"This . . is the man you [have] raced to rally around?"

("Hey, Arizona Legislators, You Might Want to Reconsider Your Support of Cliven Bundy," by Laurie Roberts, "The Arizona Republic," 24 April 2014)
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(related RfM link: "Cliven Bundy, Cleon Skousen and Mormon Bigotry: Sourcing the Snake Oil," at: http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1250493)



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Posted by: dalebroadhurst ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 02:51PM

Oh, I'm sure that the Great American Hero will soon
enough be vindicated on some talk show with a
League of the South host, helping him explain how
slaves had happier family structures...

Back when the father was bound to Nathan Bedford Forrest's
plantation, and the mother to a tobacco farm in the next
state, and the kids on the auction block in Memphis.

Yea, Clive, them were the days.

Save yer Kirtland banknotes, boys,
The racists gonna rise agin'

UD

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 04:06PM

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1250085



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Posted by: dalebroadhurst ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 04:22PM

steve benson Wrote:
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> http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1250085


Hey, Clive likes cotton-pickin' Lamanites -- has even
invited them to come and join him at the ranch in his
patriots' protest.


He can't be all bad, eh?


>The crops are all in and the peaches are rottin'
>The oranges piled in their creosote dumps;
>They're flying 'em back to the Mexican border
>To pay all their money to wade back again

UD



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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 04:21PM

Cliven Bundy reminds me of my father--white trash chasing money at any cost to others. In the nineties, my father told my brother and me that black people were better off as slaves, because "at least they had some value."

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Posted by: Solitary Loner ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 06:42PM

I'd like to see him tell that to the faces of the President, Neil deGrasse Tyson, and others notable in public leadership and civil life.

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Posted by: donbagley ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 07:09PM

That puts the old jerk into perspective, Solitary. By the way, I was a fan of BB King, Jimi Hendrix and Claude Brown (Manchild in the Promised Land) when my ignorant daddy said those things.

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Posted by: Solitary Loner ( )
Date: April 25, 2014 01:54AM

My dad is in his 70s, and has called the President the "n" word a number of times. It's downright sickening.

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Posted by: Jardo ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 05:32PM

There's not wonder that Cliven thinks the way he does. He, being mormon, would have grown up with that mindset. I know plenty of people from my home town in Eastern Utah that sound, act and think just like he does and they're all about his age. Has anyone here seen anything that explores the connection between Cliven and the "overt" racism of the Church (circa 1940-1960)? (Of course I know that the Church has been racist much longer than that but I remember hearing about some awfully racists things come over the pulpit during that time period)

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Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 07:11PM

I am sure you are correct about that connection. He would have been in his prime during all of the most racist preaching in response to the civil rights movement.

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Posted by: helemon ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 07:09PM

"are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things,"

What family life? As slaves they didn't have a "family life." They were viewed as property with no more right to a family life than one of Cliven's cows has to its calf.

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Posted by: whores'npratt ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 08:34PM

So... why are these keyboard-pounding crimson liberals like Cartoon Stevo always able to ignore the above "no politics" sticky on this here "forum".

Half their stuff for ages has sounded cribbed from the Daily Worker.

Come along recovering children, there's another side to this race issue coin. Speak up! And have another read of "The Naked Communist."

The reason, brother, sister, that you are white today is simply that you had Bundies in your family tree.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 08:40PM

. . . and the Elohim-inspired Constitution, with the able assistance of uber-right winger and fellow Mormon racist, Cleon Skousen, whose book, "The Naked Communist," was publicly and offically endorsed by then-LDS Church president David O. McKay from the pulpit at LDS General Conference.

Donchya see? This is GOD'S politics, one-and-only-true-church-Mormon-style.

(And, just in case you missed it, the OP in this thread links to Skousen's bigoted Mormon attitudes and declarations against Blacks).



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Posted by: dalebroadhurst ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 08:48PM

whores'npratt Wrote:
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> ..."no politics" sticky on this here "forum".
>

There are, of course, issues of great interest in
Mormonism which span the boundaries between political
and non-political. Romney's campaign was one of those.

This weird Mormon notion of a sacred Constitution and
a wicked Gentile government with no authority over the
Mormons is another of those issues.

Considered only from the viewpoint of one or another
of the Nevada congresscritters' election campaigns,
the matter would immediately transgress RfM rules.

Considered as a social phenomenon that Latter Day Saints
must endure (within or without the so-called Church) it
becomes something greater than partisan politics, and
thus avoids violating RfM rules.

Practically any troll who comes down the virtual pike
could quickly de-rail one of these kinds of threads and
get an important discussion shut down by the moderators.
Luckily that has not yet happened.

For those of us who had to live under White Supremacist,
anti-government religious overlords, the issue is both
a painful and an intriguing one. Just how much can this
idiotic, cowpie-kicking "patriot" get away with in 2014?

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the era
we currently live in will be stereotyped and defined by
such antics, and by whether or not anybody has the decency
and common sense to point out the relevant absurdities.

Or so it seems to this attempted voice of reason, your
Uncle Dale...



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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 09:00PM

. . . sacred Bundy racist cow is being gored.

Boo-hoo. Off they go, like a bull to the slaughterhouse, to paraphrase Joseph Smith.



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Posted by: Paidinfull ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 10:19PM

Dale Broadhurst, I wonder if you read my rant on the OKC bombing? When he was arrested McVeigh wore a t shirt with "thus always to tyrants", the same thing John Wilkes Booth shouted after he shot Lincoln. These aren't simple antics but nihilism & dangerous.

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Posted by: dalebroadhurst ( )
Date: April 25, 2014 02:22AM

Paidinfull Wrote:
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> Dale Broadhurst, I wonder if you read my rant on
> the OKC bombing? When he was arrested McVeigh wore
> a t shirt with "thus always to tyrants", the same
> thing John Wilkes Booth shouted after he shot
> Lincoln. These aren't simple antics but nihilism &
> dangerous.


It's the sort of thing I've become interested in lately.

I have a site on the web full of thousands of excerpts
from old newspapers, and researching those articles as
a hobby has become my favorite means of obtaining knowledge
of the American past.

I was surprised to discover so many late 1860s anti-government
Copperheads still vocal in the country. I expected to see
KKK reports from the South during the Reconstruction period,
but amazed to discover how much sympathy there was for such
stuff up North and out West as well.

Booth was a sort of hero among these post-war Copperheads.
A few were "galvanized" former Confederates, but the majority
of the northern supporters were from Union states.

If their rhetoric can be believed, they hated the Union
and were red-hot advocates for states' rights -- even for
new attempts at secession. For some reasons I cannot quite
fathom, they hated the 14th Amendment. Into the 1870s many
of these voices were proclaiming that the U.S.A. ceased to
exist shortly after the Civil War. Presidents Grant & Hayes
were their special "demons" -- terrible "tyrants" etc. etc.

I wonder how far back Cliven Bundy's worldview can be traced.
He is obviously a Skousenist, but I'd wager that a good
deal of his thinking goes right back to the post-civil war
American West.

There was a rather infamous newspaper I've been transcribing,
called the "Frontier Index," which moved several times in
a westward direction, before finally being destroyed in
Wyoming. The editors planned to take it to Ogden, but the
re-birth of the paper in the early 1870s was delayed a while.

During its glory days, the "Index" was a flaming Copperhead
paper, run by "Johnny Rebs" who praised Booth and the Dixie
Generals, while continually abusing the U. S. Government,
its armed forces, tax officers, Indian agents, etc. The
editors were blatantly pro-Mormon and seemed to be egging
Brigham and his associates on, in an anticipated rebellion.

I feel like Clive Bundy could have been a regular correspondent
to the "Index," if only his grammar and vernacular could have
been made intelligible for the newspaper's columns.

Surprising to discover that the pro-Mormon, pro-slavery,
armed "patriots" were as active as the Klan 140 years ago.

UD

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Posted by: deco ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 09:36PM

Rep Steve Horsford D-NV is now on Maddow. He represents Bundy's district.

He is African American.

Wow.

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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: April 24, 2014 09:41PM

Refer him to RfM, and mention the Skousen-Bundy holy White supremacist sacrament.

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Posted by: candidexmormon ( )
Date: April 25, 2014 02:24AM

Why does the Mormon church get a free pass on all of this in the media.
It's because of its racist policies, statements over 130+ years, and it's currently read racist scriptures that have moulded and poisoned the minds of many of its members like Bundy.
The church should share the blame and be publicly exposed and shamed for the racists and bigots they are.

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