You never "have" to pay tithing. Especially if you don't give church leaders power over your life.
Of course, the church tells you that you DO "have" to pay tithing on ALL income, even if that you have is SSI. You can, of course, ignore that. And you should.
Not sure how things work in Idaho but there are different types of guardianship. Does the father have financial or medical or custodial or power of attorney or something else? We were my mother in law's payee for social security, and we paid her bills with it and paid the rest monthly out of our own pocket (she was our dependent for a time).
But we only had rights for that one purpose and we were not her financial or medical guardian, as we did not have power of attorney over her affairs.
We could not tell her not to spend her money on things we disagreed with, nor could we stop her if she did do that; and we could not take her money and use it for things she did not agree with and did not want us to. Our sole job was to pay rent with the money she was given to do that with, and he her banker for the money and that was that. Anything over the rent amount was hers to do as she wished and if any interference with that process occurred, that interference violated the law.
You have to jump through a great many hoops and it takes quite some time and legitimated proof that it is absolutely necessary, for someone to become the full guardian of another adult. My MIL had schizophrenia and was completely unable to do anything much for herself but it took 8 years, several doctors and lawyers, a social worker, tens of thousands of dollars and several incidents where she harmed or harmed others, to get full and complete legal guardianship over her.
As it should. It should never be simple for one person to gain or take complete control over someone else's life, in that way.
There are different forms of guardianship/the guardian relationship.
I hope anyone in SII's shoes has some measure of control over their own life and has the ability/is permitted to choose things like whether or not they tithe, for themselves. The posts made here proves SII deserves that.
In general, when you are payee for somebody on Social Security or SSI disability, you are responsible for seeing to it that their expenses for food, clothing, shelter and medical care are paid.
If there is money left over, it can be used for the repair or improvement of things the family uses in common (house, car, etc.) that will, of course, benefit the recipient too.
I always insisted that payees for clients in "my" caseload keep receipts for everything they used the client's money for. I would tell them, "It doesn't have to be fancy - just toss them into a shoe box or something - but be sure to circle which things are for Johnny's use and which things are for the family's use, so it's easy for me to understand when I have to turn the report in, OK?"
There often wasn't much of a "report" to turn in, but I wanted to keep the family as accountable as I could for the proper use of the client's money. (Blatant misuse, from which the client did not benefit at all, was all too frequent, so I tried to keep as firm a rein on my cases as I could.)
Back in the day when I was active, it was generally considered that you should pay tithing on earned income, not on disability payments or retirement income.
But it's most important to remember that any donations you make to the church are entirely voluntary and should not be coerced from you. If you don't feel like buying your way to a fake heaven, don't.
At that time, I worked in the SSI program, which is a welfare-like, subsistence-level program. Even then, I couldn't understand how people could survive on so little money.
I was shocked when I learned at church that even people who lived on SSI were supposed to tithe. I was told that it was an issue of faith, and that if it left people without enough money for food or utilities, the church would help them out.
This struck me as remarkably cruel. People who have barely enough to live on should NOT be expected to pay tithing. I should have gotten a clue then, but it took a while longer.
I also think it's extremely cruel that TSCC does this to people with disabilities. My ex-husband's former roommate was a HT for someone who was legally blind, yet he paid tithing on his SSI from what I've heard, and this person lived in a crappy apartment in one of the poorest and most dangerous neighborhoods in the city.
Let's just say that this cruelty towards people with disabilities and others is one of the many things that led me out of the Morg.
You have no idea how angry it makes me feel and how much pain this question brings back to me SII.
The mormon goons will take the shirt off your back and leave you to freeze to death whilst reminding you that you're okay with your fees to mormon heaven so no worries.
Keep your money - you need it to survive my friend. Please, please don't pay them anything - it is NOT theirs and they don't need to know your financial details - none of their business.
brigantia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You have no idea how angry it makes me feel and > how much pain this question brings back to me > SII. > > The mormon goons will take the shirt off your back > and leave you to freeze to death whilst reminding > you that you're okay with your fees to mormon > heaven so no worries. > > Keep your money - you need it to survive my > friend. Please, please don't pay them anything - > it is NOT theirs and they don't need to know your > financial details - none of their business. > > Hugs > > Briggy =============================================== Me, too, Briggy. And I know since our only income is dad's SS and mom's minimum wage. But they always makes sure me and Silly Sophie are fed well!
The StalkerDog™ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > brigantia Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > You have no idea how angry it makes me feel and > > how much pain this question brings back to me > > SII. > > > > The mormon goons will take the shirt off your > back > > and leave you to freeze to death whilst > reminding > > you that you're okay with your fees to mormon > > heaven so no worries. > > > > Keep your money - you need it to survive my > > friend. Please, please don't pay them anything > - > > it is NOT theirs and they don't need to know > your > > financial details - none of their business. > > > > Hugs > > > > Briggy > =============================================== > Me, too, Briggy. > And I know since our only income is dad's SS and > mom's minimum wage. > But they always makes sure me and Silly Sophie are > fed well!
Briggy is right... you do not have to give them your money. Its yours and what you do with it is your business, not anyone elses.
Keep your money, SII. You need it, the Morg does not. Any church that spends millions or even billions of dollars in real estate investment properties does not need your money.
Let's see, take money from an SSI recipient by heaping on guilt, use it toward buying cattle ranches, real estate in Florida, malls, University salaries, church buildings, etc.
That sounds like the reverse of what a charitable organization/religion should be doing.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/17/2014 07:24AM by heberjgrunt.
No member of any Christian organization pays tithing! Conversely, any organisation that says you must pay tithing isn’t Christian.
Tithing was an Old Testament law applicable only to Jews and they haven’t tithed since the temple records were destroyed in AD70.
It’s amazing how the cult is able to justify a ‘greatly modified’ Old Testament law that brings in enormous amounts of money (which by the way was never a tithable commodity) yet never explains why it’s ok to ignore all the other equally important laws such as sacrificing animals or stoning people to death for adultery.
A family friend was baptized by the church and because of his diabetes was told by his doctor not to get into the baptismal bath (?) due to his feet. Got baptized anyway due to pressure and had to have his toe amputated due to infection. Church helped him get disability and now gets 10% of his income. True story.