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Now chatting with Kaylee & Blakely
K
Hi - welcome to mormon.org
9:13 AM

L
I'm investigating the Mormon Church and I had a question that none of my Mormon friends will answer and they keep telling me to ask the missionaries. I really like the Missionaries teaching me. In fact I kind of have a crush on one of the and I think the feeling is mutual. We've become two men, deeply, passionately in love.
Is that wrong?
9:13 AM

Now chatting with Kaylee & Blakely & Hannah
K
Hi Luke - that is wonderful you are investigating the church. Where are you from?
9:14 AM

L
I'm from Poland.
9:14 AM

K
that's cool! are you living there right now?
9:14 AM

L
Is it wrong to be in love with a missionary?
9:15 AM
No. Not living there now. Living in America.
We're the same age and he's single and so am I.

K
Alright - well we would love to help you learn more about our beliefs and doctrine of the church. How long have you been investigating the church?
9:16 AM

L
Since I met this gorgeous missionary. We've kissed a couple of times. Is that wrong?
9:16 AM
It didn't feel wrong.
It felt right.

K
We are sorry that happened. Sounds like you need to talk to your local leaders about this problem.
9:17 AM

L
Not a problem at all, is it?
9:17 AM
I'm not sorry and I don't think he is either.
Is it wrong for men to kiss each other?

K
That is a problem. This chat is not used for this kind of questions. We suggest calling local leaders to talk to them about your concerns.
9:18 AM
but we are going to end this chat now. please do not come back on here for these types of questions. Goodbye

L
I mean Joseph Smith had 34 wives, and you sitll sing his praises, knowing 11 of them were teenagers as young as 14 and 11 of them were just concubines, since there's no way to 'marry' a woman who's already married, is there?
9:19 AM

The chat session has ended.

Why I get really annoyed at having MORmON.org ads in my face, promising to answer my questions, I ask them questions, record the conversations and put them on the internet in various places for all the world to see, since I think this is far more effective than going out and pounding on doors.
The cognitive dissonance on display above is amazing to me.
Here we have 3 people who's full time mission is to answer questions about the church, who hung up on me and told me to never come back, in 6 minutes, just for asking a simple question about homosexuality and saying that I was in love with an adult man and I kissed him and asked if that was wrong.
Their answer was,

"That is a problem. This chat is not used for this kind of questions. We suggest calling local leaders to talk to them about your concerns.
but we are going to end this chat now. please do not come back on here for these types of questions. Goodbye!"

Why?

What if I do?

You expect me to turn in my lover to the authorities as if he's a sexual predator or I am, when you sing the praises of a sexual predator who drew pornographic pictures of God that you still carry around with you and consider them sacred.

I've got a better question, "Can you tell me if it's wrong for me to be in love with another man, when Joseph Smith was in love with another man's wife and had sex with her?"

I suggest somebody else go to Mormon.org and ask the missionaries that one question, since they're probably onto me by now.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2017 12:35PM by koriwhore.

You have the most entertaining posts. Thanks for the laugh - I could almost see them squirming in their desk chairs, and I bet they were dying to ask you the name of the missionary so that the could tell on him. Mormons love to tattle as you know. Well done.

I was thinking the same thing. I bet they wanted information on where you live so they could try and narrow down who this missionary was and discipline him appropriately.

As funny as these are to read, I don't think you're ever going to get a missionary online to actually engage with you about the stuff you ask them. It's probably against the rules. And I think I heard somewhere on this board that they know what you're typing while it's being typed and all the conversations that they have with people are being monitored by other people. It wouldn't surprise me, anyway.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2017 04:25PM by midwestanon.

On a level more fundamental than sexuality is the concept of "live and let live." If one has embraced that concept, homosexuality is not an issue. Neither is drinking coffee, or working on Sunday, or choosing to pay or not pay a tithe.

Missionaries haven't yet made the "live and let live" neural connection. In my experience it's difficult for someone so young to do so; they still cling to the "me vs. them" false dichotomy--I am "right" and others who disagree are therefore "wrong." With time, however, new nerve cells grow and link up: as we mature, as we witness the benefits of tolerance not only for those we tolerate but for ourselves, as the quiet voice of reason (as Christopher Hitchens called it) does its thing, "live and let live" takes root as a guiding principle, after which something like acceptance of homosexuality (in others or in ourselves) follows naturally as no big thing, as a mere shrug of the shoulders.

Nowadays when I learn that someone is gay it doesn't even register. The needle on my emotional seismograph doesn't move. Somebody might as well be left-handed or work as an accountant. It's irrelevant.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2017 01:11PM by getbusylivin.

getbusylivin Wrote:
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> Nowadays when I learn that someone is gay it
> doesn't even register. The needle on my emotional
> seismograph doesn't move. Somebody might as well
> be left-handed or work as an accountant. It's
> irrelevant.

There is a reason why that is. It is called brainwashing. Our culture did it do you and you didn't even notice.

Does it matter to you if someone is gay? If so, why?

Why do others' sex and love lives upset you?

You didn't get to your zinger sentence fast enough.
They didn't see it since they were disconnecting already.

It's not necessarily that these particular missionaries were NOT OKAY with questions about homosexuality, but, more importantly, that they are more than okay with "sincere" questions about [their job] tsc/ tmc/ lds doctrine, (so-called) "revelation", etc.,
- things they also don't know much about, but are totally comfortable with (because it's all they "know"), according to the rules of their blocked heart and job description.

Besides, homosexuality TOTALLY freaks them out... because that's the way the morMon "religion" MAKES it, for their followers to treat others, and themselves.

I like how you set up the game. It is straight out of the missionary guide! The church created the bullshit notion of the golden contact and they play into it every single time.

Example: I had a dream last night that God wants me to be happy. Does God talk to us today?

Can you see the missionaries having a golden moment orgasm over those words?

Now chatting with Levi & Declan
L
Hello Larry!
8:37 AM
Welcome to Mormon.org!

L
Hi I am investigating the church and I had a question about the church's stance on homosexuality.
8:38 AM

L
Great question! Let me go ahead and give you a link that you can browse through as we discuss this topic. Is that alright?
8:38 AM
https://mormonandgay.lds.org/

L
I'm gay and I have a child I want to join the church. Is that ok?
8:39 AM

L
First of all, we love everyone and are encouraged to treat everyone with the same love Christ would extend if he were here... and that is absolutely extended to everyone no matter their sexual orientation.
8:39 AM

L
Will we be accepted with open arms or will we be discriminated against?
8:39 AM
If I show up to church with my gay lover and our child will we all be accepted as we are or will we have to change?
8:41 AM

L
Second, we do believe that God has ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman, and that sexual relations are only to be used between a man and a woman who are legally married. Any romantic relationship outside or this order that God has established is considered to be sin. If you are in a homosexual relationship you are invited to attend church always! However, one of the baptismal requirements is living the law of chastity which we believe if you are in a homosexual relationship you are not obeying that law.
8:41 AM
It's a difficult thing.... a really difficult thing.

L
So I read that Joseph Smith had 34 wives, 11 of whom were not actually his wives, since they were married to other men, so they were just his concubines, yet Mormons still sing his praises, despite the fact he had sex with them outside of legal marriage, yet I Have to live a life w/o sex because of the way God created me?
8:43 AM
That seems really hypocritical isn't it?
8:44 AM

L
We don't know how to respond, I'm sorry. And we just want you to know that when we answer your questions we are just representing the beliefs of the church. We are in no way telling you that you must change your life now. You are free to learn and then choose to act based on what you feel is best for you.
8:45 AM

L
So if I'm gay and legally married is it ok to be Mormon?
8:46 AM

L
Well, if you are legally married to a man then you wouldn't be able to be baptized into the church.
8:46 AM

L
why?
8:46 AM
Isn't that discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation? That's illegal in the real world.
And highly immoral IMO.

L
We're not trying to discriminate anyone. We believe that God has set forth requirements for baptism and if a person chooses to live by those requirements then they are more than welcome to be baptized. If they don't have a desire to live by those requirements then they are free to not choose baptism.
8:48 AM

L
So if I get baptized as a gay man, and then I decide to marry my gay lover so we can have sex w/o getting excommunicated, would I get excommunicated for getting married to the man I love?
8:49 AM

L
We don't make those decisions, but if you chose to be baptized you promise to live by certain standards and by marrying a man you would be breaking those standards.
8:49 AM
And Larry, you are free to live the way you choose.

L
So what you're telling me is that I'm not welcome in the Mormon church if I'm gay, unless I take a vow of celibacy?
8:50 AM

L
If you don't like our beliefs, that's totally fine! You're still awesome and we still wish you the best in your future and your marriage even if it means you won't be a member.
8:50 AM

L
I might as well be Catholic.
8:50 AM

L
haha you're free to choose to live however you choose! WE aren't trying to force you to live any certain way. haha
8:51 AM

L
A Catholic Priest. They accept gays.
8:51 AM
Well, thanks for giving me the heads up. Doesn't sound like Mormonism is a good choice for homosexuals, since the church doesn't accept them, unless they don't act gay.
8:52 AM

L
We still love ya! And just know our intentions aren't to hurt anyone. We're just trying to hold fast to what we believe God has revealed.
8:52 AM

L
You guys sound like you're stuck in the dark ages or Islam.
8:52 AM

L
hahah thanks... I guess. haha
8:53 AM

L
The rest of the world is cool with gays, except Mormons and Muslims.
8:53 AM

L
But really Larry, I hope you don't feel like we're attacking your lifestyle or sexual orientation-- that isn't our intention. We were just presenting our beliefs.
8:53 AM

L
You didn't explain why you still sing the praises of Joseph Smith, despite the fact he had all kinds of illegal and immoral sex, but discriminate against gays because they have legal sex.
8:54 AM

L
Yeah... polygamy. Not my favorite topic and honestly I don't have an answer for you.
8:54 AM

L
Polyandry has always been illegal in EVERY civilized society. Yet Mormons are perfectly fine with their leaders who had sex with other men's lives and destroyed their marriages?
8:55 AM

L
Obviously there are people that feel they have evidence that Joseph Smith was having sex with a bunch of people illegally and then there will be others that say those sources aren't accurate etc... So I just choose not to take a side and I'll just wait till we have perfect facts. For now I just know that I've had wonderful experience with the Book of Mormon and with the Holy Ghost and I will trust that.
8:55 AM

L
He didn't have to have sex with them to violate the law, just claiming another man's iwfe as your own violates the law, every law, even the very law Joseph Smith claimed to have recieved striaght from God. (D&C 132:61, the Law of the Priesthood) not to mention the 10 commandments and common human decency.
8:57 AM

L
Right. It sounds like you really don't want us to believe in the things we believe.
8:57 AM
It seems that you're frustrated with people that choose to believe in the LDS Church.

L
You believe the Law of the Priesthood is the word of God, right?
8:58 AM

L
Hey Larry I think it's easier for us to maybe head our separate ways. Obviously you have your beef with the Church and that's totally fine! Not a problem. However, we do believe what we believe and we don't mean any harm by believing. So we hope that we can just head our separate ways in peace. Is that alright?
8:59 AM

L
JS and BY violated it in 5 different ways by claiming to marry their follower's wives, when there was no way for them to legally 'marry' a woman who was already married to one of their followers.
8:59 AM
You're singing the praises of adulterers and breaking the law by discriminating against homosexuals.

L
Alright, Larry.
9:00 AM

L
That doesn't seem like hyopocracy to you?
9:01 AM

L
Well, we are going to head out, okay? No hard feelings. We understand how our beliefs could be frustrating.
9:01 AM
Just know it isn't our intention to hurt anyone.

L
no, hypocritical.
9:01 AM

L
We honestly are just trying to do what God wants us to do. We don't do it perfectly but we're trying!
9:01 AM
Alright, we'll see ya.

L
right, by hating your fellow men instead of loving them? That's not what God said, he said to love your fellow men as yourselves.
9:02 AM

The chat session has ended.

sweeping a dirt road

pointless endeavor

What RfM?
This is a forum for discussing Mormonism right?
Isn't that the point of Mormon.org?
I dont know about you but I get bombarded with Mormon Ads on the iternet, telling me to go chat with them to get answers to my questions. But they lie. They dot answer questions and tell you to never return if you ask anything about Mormon doctrine regarding sex. I just think it's interesting to cause cognitive dissonance and watch them lie through their teeth to defend beliefs that define delusion.
Like Ayan Hirsi Ali said, "I cause Cog Dis, which will either drive them insane or drive them sane. I prefer the latter which is all I can do after all."
In answer to the question of how to help those who are imprissoned by mental slavery and being abused.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2017 03:40PM by koriwhore.

this is not you trying to help others see the light. This is you being a dick.

Whoever resorts to ad hominem attacks first, loses the debate, loser.

I have an honest question. How is he being a dick? I can understand because he is not actually gay, that this can be seen as offensive. On the other hand, do the missionaries honestly know this about him? No, they don't. To me, he is representing many real, gay families who are living this experience. The missionaries are none the wiser about his sexuality and he wanted legit answers to this huge problem, so I don't see the issue. Can family members ask on behalf of their gay family members the same questions koriwhore asked? Is that disingenuous because they are not gay and only have peripheral experience with the issue? I've asked hard questions to online missionaries about other issues. I was very, very genuine and they shut me down and acted like the devil sent me. It was a horrible experience when I only wanted answers. The missionaries have terrible hang-ups about openness, honesty, and general knowledge in the church.

Isn't that a little like holding the bus driver responsible for the school's bad curriculum?

In other words, because the missionaries don't know better, they should not be held responsible for their leaders' bad policies and decisions? If I got that right, then I agree. However, they are not admonished of all accountability. Even though many of them are brainwashed, they are still actively making the choice to ignore new information given to them. Many of them justify this choice to ignore with fallacious reasoning, such as labeling all dissenting opinions as anti-Mormon because it might make them doubt. If it can't be questioned, there's a good chance it's too flimsy to stand on its own. I think the missionaries koriwhore questioned in this chat did the best they could to find a middle ground with him. Their answers weren't great, but taking into consideration that their hands are tied, I think it's the best they could offer. They didn't show empathy concerning the policy (lest they make the church look bad), but pointed out that gay relationships are incompatible in the church. It's definitely discrimination, especially against children of gays in the church, but I think this is where it gets muddy with the missionaries.

*I meant to say the second set of missionaries were doing their best, not the first set. The first set was awful.

Naahh. Being a dick is where you try to convince people that they should worship a "prophet" who was actually a pedophile, but yet you don't tell them about that part. Being a dick is faking friendship to investigators in order to manipulate them into doing what you want.

nope. You are ridiculous.

You play perfectly into their persecution complex. You prove their point about anti/ex mormons. Of course mormonism is dumb and hateful- we all know that. You can't get over it though.

What I would like to know is what you are trying to accomplish. You know their position, you know their hangups, and you know what their response is going to be. What is your end goal in this?

I truly think you are trolling. You are presenting a front that isn't true so that you can make a point that they aren't going to get. What is worse you are reinforcing a stereotype. The stereotype that the world is evil and Mormonism is a refuge from the evil. I believe that your behavior only serves to entrench young missionaries.

You are free to do what you please and I am free to vehemently disagree with your methods.

I would like to know that as well jacob. Koriwhore, you and I have butted heads several times. It is not a personal thing on my part, I just think your tactics are producing the opposite results that you are aiming for.

Like I said above, my point is to publish the hypocritical, immoral, unethical, lies otherwise good people have to tell in order to defend such nonsense.
As long as the worlds largest army of Doomsday Cult recruiters is out there flooding the internet with ads promising to answer all your questions about MORmONism, I intend to keep asking pointed questions and expecting honest answers, but publishing their lies when they dont meet that basic expectation.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/06/2017 09:25AM by koriwhore.

good for you

Thanks loser.

Yeah, I agree, this is trolling plain and simple.

Not impressed.

How ironic that ExMos feel compelled to defend the worlds biggest army of Doomsday CULT recruiters and would rather let the Morgue's internet advertising campaign go unchallenged.

Out of a compulsion to defend myself.

My issue is not really with what you are doing (challenging the organization), it is with how you are doing it. Not that I get to choose the why or how you do anything but I do get to comment on how I feel about it.

That said, how exactly are you challenging the Mormon's advertising campaign, and what is your response to my thought that your actions serve to entrench instead of enlighten?

"doomsday cult recruiters aaaahhhhh!!! haha give it a rest dude.

Dude, are you in JHS?
Why you say something in a forum, try contributing something to the discourse instead of shitting all over fellow ExMos.
We are the resistence to this mindfucking cult army.
If we cant have each others backs we're just a bunch of fucking losers, like Mormons already think we are.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2017 12:14AM by koriwhore.

"doomsday cult recruiters" is spot Aaron. Listen to GC in April. All I heard for 40 years is apocalyptic BS from a cult nonstop. I still have the food storage to prove it.

im not shitting on exmormons buddy, Im down on you specifically for your behavior. You say you want honest answers from the church but you LIE about who you are when you chat with them. You are trolling- not a good look- you make us all look bad. Grow up.

So your answer to the world's biggest army of Cult recruiters is to not confront them about their absurd and immoral beliefs?
How noble of you.
To me, they represent the civil right struggle of our age.
I speak up for friends of mine who are victimized by this abusive Doomsday CULT. Friends of mine who've been discriminated against because this CULT continues to dehumanize homosexuals, blacks and women.
WTF do you do besides shit on ExMos for standing up for those who are victimized by this fucking cult, by exposing their lies?

Perhaps, you could take a step back. Everyone's recovery is different. Perhaps read his comment below.

You feel like what you're doing is "noble" and that you're speaking up for your friends. Not everyone agree's with you. that doesn't mean that they are denigrating ExMos, it means that disagree with the action you're taking...

I happen to agree with him. I don't know if you were a missionary or not, but your actions do tend to entrench them further.

Also, the admins work very hard to keep this site free of Mormon's preaching to us or trolling us, I don't think it's unfair to give the missionaries the same treatment (i.e. not lying and/or trolling them), otherwise, you quickly lose your moral high ground.

If you want to point out the church's hypocrisy, please do so, It's possible to do so without talking to the missionaries at all. Picking on the victims of the church (and yes, the missionaries are victims as well) doesn't make you look better, it make you look like you're picking on kids who don't have the knowledge you do. You become the boogeyman man that Mormon's fear and increase their persecution complex.

I take back the grow up comment, Im sorry, that was me taking a jab. I dont want to always fight with you but I feel strongly about this. I respect you wanting to combat the so called church because I hate it as much as anyone. I just feel that going after the missionaries is counter productive and a little mean. I was a missionary, I had people roll up and say things that were maybe true but hurtful nonetheless. It was always written off as "oh that is just an anti mormon- they are decieved by satan. What you do does not help these kids, it further entrenches them in the cult.

That's bullshit.
I was a missionary too.
I NEVER had anybody confront me about Joseph's infidelity and his fucking other men's wives and teenage daughters. I never had anybody point out Joseph's pornographic depiction of God in my scriptures. If they had and they presented evidence, I would have seriously investigated it, and upon finding out they were not exaggerating, never darkened the doorway of Mormon CULT again, not buried my head in the sand and lied about it to defend it. These days, post admission that Joseph really did do those things, it's immoral to defend him.
You have to be a lying sack of shit to defend that.
And here you are defending the lying sacks of shit who make excuses for Joseph screwing his follower's wives and teenage daughters.

Yeah agreed...bullshit Aaron.

Its not bullshit. You should really listen to some other people, it doesnt have to be me, you are so angry at the church- I get it- you are not going to change it like this.

we all know Joseph was an asshole, we all know he raped underaged girls. Of course he was a complete shit head and the movement he created has fucked all of us. The idea here is to heal from that, to learn how to move on. It seems like it festering for you.

yeah, listen to me KW...you're doing a great job. Keep up the good work. I'd buy you a beer if I could. Nothing echoing back the ridiculous beliefs of a cult that tries to hide itself and appear a normal, when in fact it has a very dark underbelly that is emotionally damaging to people. On my mission, people tried to point this out to me, and I did eventually put it all together. I think your dialogue w/ those missionaries is spot on AND I think it helps them eventually. They need to hear it because they live in a deluded environment.

I disagree but respect your right to opinion. I say go after a genaral assthority, or a bishop. The missionaries are just kids who dont know any better. Yes they are 18 technically adults, but come on, if they are out there its because they are trying to be obedient to their parents or the church.

Same...I disagree with you too. I am grateful to all those people on my mission who tried to tell me how ridiculous the cult's beliefs are. It eventually sunk in and all the pieces fit together. Especially terrible are the cult's beliefs on homosexuality, which these "kids" need to be reminded of. TSCC has an army of trolls who deceitfully mislead people.

I agree with Exmormon on this one. These missionaries need to learn the truth at some point.

whatever, this is dumb. Be a troll, I dont care.

Im not a loser, but you are a troll. what the fuck is jhs anyway?

In his super mature reply, koriwhore was saying you are a Junior High School student... I hope you see the sarcasm there.

You're not a loser, don't let him get to you. You are allowed to have your opinion, just like he is allowed his. In other threads on other topics, koriwhore has shown that he's not the best at debate.

If it helps, I agree with you. I see this as trolling. There's a reason why a while ago posting conversations with missionaries like this was banned from the site, because it was very popular for a while, and it created a lot of arguments, just like this one is producing.

thank you, I appreciate that. I do have an issue with people trolling missionaries but I am aware I am actually somewhat trolling Koriwhore myself at this point. Im going to stop because its no fun anymore and I dont want to be a hypocrite.

I don't see this as trolling at all. I see this as "spotlighting uncomfortable issues."

When I was on my mission there was no internet, but I was asked some really difficult questions to which I had no answers. All I could do was repeat the phony jargon I had been taught to use in that situation --just like these on-line missionaries.

I wish I could go back and thank everyone of those people who made me think--if only for a second. They opened the door just a crack.

There is no need to feel the missionaries are being treated unfairly. These are legitimate questions being asked. The missionaries dodge them as they are taught to. Why should these on line missionaries be treated with "sacred cow status?" They are adults. If they can't handle the tough questions then too bad.

Google defines trolling as "make a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them."

That's exactly what koriwhore did. While the questions may be legitimate, they were presented under false pretenses. His very first statement was a lie.

Also, TBM's who come her to post can say the exact same thing, that they are "spotlighting uncomfortable issues" in order to get us to come back... We don't take kindly to them doing so, why should we stoop to their level.

There are many ways to highlight the problems of the church, I say if you want to talk to the missionaries about it, at least be upfront... Why not start the chat with "I have questions about disturbing information about the church and I was wondering if there was an official answer about it?" Why lie about who you are and your motivations. That's when it's trolling.

I was asked difficult questions as a missionary and I was very dismissive. I was only 20, of course I thought I knew better than real adults. I remember one encounter vividly and that is it. I was too wrapped up in the rightness of my cause to put too much stock in their silly questions.

As an aside the one encounter that I remember is the time I went to shake a guy's hand and he gave me the patriarchal grip. It didn't cause me to question my faith it just surprised the shit out of me. How could some random guy in Italy know the most sacred handshake in Mormonism?

What I really wish is that those who I most trusted would have been honest with me. The adults in my life who knew better. They would have made real impact. Had they told me the things that they knew it would have dramatically impacted my life. Unfortunately they doubted their doubts.

Those who have the most power to impact a person's life for the positive or negative are not random strangers. Most everyone is inoculated from that kind of impact. The parents, teachers, bishops, pastors, friends, and so forth have the real power here.

Just my two cents.

I agree with what you have written so well here, Jacob. Thank you for expressing something valuable that you believe rather than attempting to straighten me out.

I never got anything but the Mormon spiel from and parentsteachersbishopsmissionpresidentTBMfriendsetc. As a BIC RM TBM I had an answer for everything except for a lurking sense of what was really right that I felt down deep. I figured the lie out on my own. No Google in those days. Seems like a miracle now since I was the perfect personality and vehicle for the Mormon indoctrination.

What helped me figure out the Cog-Dis was the bits of information that seeped through the cracks. Articles in Life magazine. The guy on the mission with the tough questions. The glimpses of the real world through the slats of my Mormon cage. I put bits together like a puzzle.

Unlike some others here, I see the challenge rather than the trolling. I see any bit of the puzzle as valuable. I only see the attack on the church and not personal attacks about someone's looks, or intelligence, or other personal attributes which accompany so much true trolling I have seen.

I have learned the most in life from the inappropriate, the difficult to digest. Don't know if that would make sense to anyone else.

I've always had a love hate relationship with the idiom, see the forest for the trees. I've both the inclination to see the pattern and to get bogged down in the details.

This is one of the reasons that I have consistently argued that the best defense against Mormonism is not its plentiful flaws, but instead its logical inconsistency. Each flaw has a specific argument for why it isn't a flaw. For example the OP's constant battle to recognize polyandry as wrong in every society. Polyandry simply isn't wrong if god commands it, to someone who will always follow god's command. The real error is that god commanded someone to practice polyandry.

This isn't a chicken and egg thing it is a illness vs symptom thing.

I appreciate the idea that we won't recognize the pattern unless the details are demonstrated. But the details are not the reason it is wrong. It is wrong because it is wrong.

Perhaps it is all a matter of perspective, and perspective is as unique as individuals are.

it is trolling. He is lying and just trying to fuck with them. He is not trying to help them- he is trolling. If this is not being an internet troll then what is?
And seriously what is jhs?

Junior High School

haha really? He is calling me a jr high student?! burn!!!

You lost when you immediately resorted to attacking me personally by calling me a dick, loser.

Are you in JHS by the way?

I didnt lose anything and neithet did you.
No Exmoron Im not in JHS, I dropped out.

neither sorry.