Since neither of my favorite teams even made the playoffs, it wasn't like I had a horse in the race, but I decided that Brady had enough Superbowl rings in his collection, and ended up cheering for the Eagles.
Great game, and goodbye to football for a while this year.
My ear drums are still ringing!!!( Guess who my husband’s favourite team is) I’m glad they won though.I like NE, but they’ve already been in it enough times.Now, were hoping the Flyers will make the playoffs.The poor Blackhawks aren’t going to go anywhere this year, that’s sad
I have an observation and wonder if anyone else caught this. When the players are shown and state their college affiliation, I am almost positive that Kyle Van Noy just said "Brigham" and not Brigham Young. I wonder if he wants to distance himself from BYU.
Huh??? Yeah, the Eagles won a truly entertaining game (I had no dog in the fight, so I just enjoyed watching), but...Brady was suspended for deflate gate last season. He then went on to get his fifth ring and fourth SB MVP.
If that’s getting “just desserts,” I’m sure every QB in the NFL would love to get a serving.
Yes, from thousands of miles away I didn't care who won. I've never spent a day in either Boston or Philadelphia. But I rooted for the Eagles for two reasons == to see the smirk knocked off Brady's face for just a moment, and so that 0.1%er owner Robert Kraft and head coach Bill Belichick would lose, for reasons I won't go into.... And they lost.
Shove it up your collective &^%, Patriots, Kraft, Belichick, and Brady.
Sitting on the bench would be disrespectful and would attract much more condemnation.
Kneeling is respectful. Billions of Christians have knelt in prayer, often before the most sacred symbols of their religion, such as in a Catholic mass, where at several points the entire congregation goes on its knees.
Kneeling on one knee is traditionally done, for example, when receiving a knighthood or other honor from the hands of a sovereign, when soldiers are praying in the field, or when a man proposes marriage to the love of his life, the ring held up for her to accept. Nowadays women love to post this moment on the Internet and thoughtful suitors arrange to have a friend around to take the picture as it happens.
Just this week I saw such a photo of the UFC fighter Paige VanZant being proposed to in this way (she immediately put the photo on Instagram) and a video of a Russian ballet dancer who proposed this way to another company member -- on stage, during the curtain call, after they had just danced the title roles in "Romeo and Juliet."
No, there's nothing inherently disrespectful about kneeling whether on one knee or two! In the NFL it has, however, been a means of peaceful protest through doing something different than the standing and singing and hand-over-heart (which, for the record, I always do), while signifying respect at the same time.
I personally think that taking a knee is ridiculous (no one is paying a pro football player to display his political views,) but IMO a certain segment of the population gets very upset when they perceive that the flag is disrespected. I know that a number of fans in my area took a walk this season for that and other reasons.
Nobody is paying them for being outside during the national anthem at all, rather than staying in the locker room until it's closer to game time. They still play a full game of football--all they're being paid to do.
They didn't join the army, they joined the NFL. Mandatory displays of public patriotism using prescribed gestures aren't actually part of the player contract.
I think that the kneelers displayed more moral courage than anyone else involved.
Dave the Atheist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Taking a knee has nothing to do with the national anthem and flag. It has everything to do with police murdering unarmed black people.
Yes...all of those murdered unarmed black people...at football stadiums. **rolls eyes**
Jaxson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Anything but standing at attention, in reverence, > with your hand over your heart during the national > anthem and the display of our colors is > disrespectful to the emblems of the United > States.
I guess you don't think US citizens should be able to think and act freely, but we all have to do what you say.
What if those "emblems" deserve disrespect, because the people who are supposed to implement what they stand for don't do so?
> Were you sick the days they taught you that in > school?
Were you sick the days they taught the first amendment?
. . . and set up your own dictatorship. Be sure to wear a tall general's cap with lots of fake ribbons and medals. And while you're waiting to be fitted for your costume, please read up on the so-called "flag salute" cases noted in the post below.
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The U.S. Supreme Court actually ended up revoking its initial decision when it overruled its earlier position, concluding that, as a matter of state mandate, requiring students to salute the flag in public schools is an unconstitutional infringement on the individual right to free speech.
Donchya just hate it when the Constitution gets in the way?
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Considering he has won two Super Bowls since the now discredited* "deflategate" (damn that high school level science stuff...), I would hardly call it his "just desserts".
But I guess he can go console himself by staring at his five rings.
*(Remember that during the deflategate trial, a group of 21 Physics and Engineering professors from MIT, Stanford, Penn, Michigan, Boston College, Purdue, Cal Berkley, Delaware, Minnesota, and USC filed an amicus brief explaining the ideal gas law and disproving the NFL deflategate theory. The reason the brief made no difference is the trial was not about Brady's guilt or innocence, rather it was about the right of the NFL to impose discipline within the scope of collective bargaining agreement.)
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alsd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Considering he has won two Super Bowls since the > now discredited* "deflategate" (damn that high > school level science stuff...), I would hardly > call it his "just desserts".
One. Not two.
> *(Remember that during the deflategate trial, a > group of 21 Physics and Engineering professors > from MIT, Stanford, Penn, Michigan, Boston > College, Purdue, Cal Berkley, Delaware, Minnesota, > and USC filed an amicus brief explaining the ideal > gas law and disproving the NFL deflategate theory. > The reason the brief made no difference is the > trial was not about Brady's guilt or innocence, > rather it was about the right of the NFL to impose > discipline within the scope of collective > bargaining agreement.)
Those "physics and engineering professors" showed that deflating footballs probably wouldn't help Brady. They didn't show that Brady didn't deflate footballs. Or that he thought it would help him.
ificouldhietokolob Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > alsd Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Considering he has won two Super Bowls since > the > > now discredited* "deflategate" (damn that high > > school level science stuff...), I would hardly > > call it his "just desserts". > > One. Not two. > > > *(Remember that during the deflategate trial, a > > group of 21 Physics and Engineering professors > > from MIT, Stanford, Penn, Michigan, Boston > > College, Purdue, Cal Berkley, Delaware, > Minnesota, > > and USC filed an amicus brief explaining the > ideal > > gas law and disproving the NFL deflategate > theory. > > The reason the brief made no difference is the > > trial was not about Brady's guilt or innocence, > > rather it was about the right of the NFL to > impose > > discipline within the scope of collective > > bargaining agreement.) > > Those "physics and engineering professors" showed > that deflating footballs probably wouldn't help > Brady. > They didn't show that Brady didn't deflate > footballs. Or that he thought it would help him. > > Way to go, Eagles :)
Those physics and engineering professors showed that the balls deflated because of the cold weather, not from any sort of tampering. Oh, and even the NFL admits in the Wells Report that most of the balls used by the Indianapolis Colts that were tested were also under inflated. So did Brady cheat for the Colts too?
Sorry, but basic science proves there was no cheating involved. Even a seventh grader was able to prove this fact.
The perception of Brady being a cheater is a perfect example of of how people only see information that conforms with their fixed beliefs. You dislike Brady, so it is easier to accept that he is a cheater than it is to accept the basic scientific principles that prove the accusations wrong.
One last thing: The deflate gate game was played on January 18, 2015. The Patriots won Super Bowl XLIX on February 1, 2015 and won Super Bowl LI on February 5, 2017. Unless math has changed in a significant way that I was unaware of, that is two Super Bowls won since deflategate.
Now that's over we can look forward to the World Cup, a true world championship and a game of football that is actually played with the feet and where most of the game time isn't taken up with players standing around or in huddles. All this, of course, unless the Broncos are playing...either Denver or Boise State.
"Several Eagles players have already said they intend to boycott the winning team’s traditional trip to the White House.
No one on the Eagles sat or kneeled during the national anthem this season, but several players raised their fists in protest, including Malcolm Jenkins, Torrey Smith, and Rodney McLeod. Jenkins led the Players Coalition, which secured a commitment from the NFL to provide $89 million over seven years to groups fighting inequality. Last week Jenkins and Smith said they did not intend to go to the White House if they won the Super Bowl."
He'll have to go home to his $6.5M mansion in LA and his supermodel wife and sulk. Next year, he'll break more records, put records already broken out of reach, and prepare for the 2019 playoffs.
The Patriots in the AFC Championship is almost a given, and the Superbowl a very strong likelihood. We'll have to see if the Eagles, good as they played, have the proven resiliency of the Patriots. Dave, I don't know anybody who has said NFL players don't have the right to take the knee. (Okay, maybe a few fringe types.) It's just that a lot of people find it disrespectful, repulsive, and inappropriate. Other people disapproved Tim Tebow's "taking the knee" as a sign of religious gratitude (which turned off this Christian, BTW). Then again, Red Sox slugger David Ortiz was wont to point to Heaven after hitting a home run.
NFL players, Hollywood actors, and others to take their opinions public, just as Steve B. has the constitutional right to draw and publish an irreverent caricature of Mohammed. "Je suis Charlie (Hebdo)," right?
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go lick my wounds...
Dave the Atheist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So tell us how many black cops are murdering > unarmed black people.
Don't have the data at hand. Years ago, greater inclusion of blacks in law enforcement was hailed as progress. Now they're denounced as Uncle Toms. Go figure. > > And while you are at it you can tell us why > St.Louis has a separate union for black cops.
Unions are voluntary organizations, so who knows. I'd be surprised if they were being outright excluded from the other union. In Boston, Blacks and Hispanics each have their own advocacy/fellowship organizations, independent of the primary unions (There are three: Patrol Officers, Detectives, Superiors Officers), and include officers of all specialties and ranks. All organizations combine on certain matters, such as pay, promotion protocols, etc.
This subject can go far afield and get intensely emotional. With all respect, Dave, although there are tragic cases that can be easily highlighted, I maintain that systemic racism in law enforcement is a false, if widely propagated, narrative advanced for political purposes. Considering the legal, financial, and personal peril a cop faces when he uses his firearm, the last thing he wants to do is shoot anybody, and a minority adversary increases his risks exponentially.
What about the white officer a couple of years ago who shot a fleeing black man (minor offense) in the back, then planted evidence next to his corpse to exculpate himself? Only caught because a passerby videotaped the incident--if not for that, he surely would have gotten away with it, as so many others probably have.
He came from a police culture that allows that under the "Blue Code" of silence, always has.
As I said, you can find your tragic cases, but avoid generalizing from them. The Scott case was a clear violation of the "Fleeing Felon" ("Garner") rule:
1) The officer had no reason to believe that the victim (stopped on a vehicle violation) was a) a felon or b) an exigent threat to himself or others. (I've lost my share of foot chases, which sucks, but that's the way it goes.)
1-A) Officer Slager had Scott's license and registration. All he had to do was write the ticket, add "Flight from Officer" (or however it's phrased in SC), tow the car, and summon him into court on the increased charges. I've done that a few times, at least.
2) The civilian video was dramatic and valuable, but Slager would probably have been convicted of homicide without it. 8 shots were fired; even IF Scott had been dangerously aggressive, standard procedure is to cease once the suspect's aggressive behavior is neutralized/controlled.
3) The issue was bad training, or a bad cop who should have been screened out sooner, or both--not police lust for shooting blacks.
Edit: "1-A" added.
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First, I don't follow football, or Brady, very carefully. My remarks are not grounded in extensive information.
Brady is quite the pretty boy, but I don't see him as a prima donna, expecting special treatment or privileges. He is known to demand hard work in practice. But he demands a lot from himself. Nobody is a natural champion.
He was accused of doctoring the ball. Like the O.J. trial, there are passionate opinions on both sides; I'm not going there. He appealed the decision, and lost. The Patriots won 3 of the 4 games, and went on to win the Superbowl. "Living well is the best revenge," as they say. Or winning.
Brady is a professional, and professionals lose, but five SB rings and three SB MVP's are hard to match. I think he'd agree with Michael Jordan, who famously said, "I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
BTW, Brady still has the suspension letter in his 2016 album.
There are super-high-net-worth individuals, call them the American oligarchs, who could buy and sell Tom Brady without noticing it (especially since the new tax cuts for them), and have even nicer stuff to look at all around them.
Let's not forget that Eagles coach Doug Pederson is a former Packer, who was a backup QB to Brett Favre. The Packers season effectively ended after that dirty hit by a MN Viking on Aaron Rodgers, which resulted in multiple fractures to his clavicle. It's been a long time since the Packers haven't been in the playoffs. I don't like some of the Eagles horse-punching fans, but the players and coaches are nothing like Brady and Belichek.
I was using different photos as references, research and crosschecks spread out on my art table. Unfortunately, when photographs are spit out by photocopy machines, sometimes the color comes out in weird hues when the ink is absorbed by the paper, particularly if the paper is porous and without a slick surface—i.e., as with typical typing paper. In this case, the color of the Eagles’ helmet and jersey came out looking decided blue (as opposed to how they usually appear on, say, a computer screen.
Not being a devout follower of the Eagles (unlike I have been of the Cowboys, given that I was raised in north Dallas), I was not up to speed on their uniform layout. As I was drawing Brady next to Graham, I thought to myself, “Damn, their mutual blues are going to be difficult to distinguish from one another.” Now I find out I was using the wrong color on Graham.
My bad. My blue. I’ve since color-corrected the problem and resent it to the syndicate. Forgive me, Father, for I have synded.:)
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I really do not like the Patriots but Tom Brady is the best NFL QB ever . If you can name a QB who is better well just try .All of his championships speak for themselves . In playoffs and Super Bowls nobody comes close . He is surrounded by average players with the exception of Gronkowski . Hate on Tommy all you want but he is the best pro QB ever