This just seems so wrong to me. I was taught, in my tbm family, love was love and love is good. So, now there is a right love and a wrong love. Hmmm A slam on the gays, again?


“He (satan) attacks us through our appetites. He tempts us to eat things we should not eat, to drink things we should not drink, and to love as we should not love.”


https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02/19/satan-temps-us-to-love-as-we-should-not-love-lds-prophet-russell-m-nelson-warns-mormon-millennials/

He’s probably scared (but secretly wants) to be loved “as we should not love.”

CrispingPin Wrote:
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> He’s probably scared (but secretly wants) to be
> loved “as we should not love.”

My nevermo opinion is that this is a spot on observation, CrispingPin...

Well done.

eternal1 Wrote:
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> I was taught, in my tbm family, love was love and love is good.

No offense, but that doesn't sound 'tbm' to me.

Maybe he means, Strangelove? A la Depeche Mode?

"No offense, but that doesn't sound 'tbm' to me."

Maybe we weren't as tbm as we should have been? However, I've found pretty much every Mormon I know believes whatever they want and still call themselves a Mormon.

eternal1 Wrote:
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> "No offense, but that doesn't sound 'tbm' to me."
>
> Maybe we weren't as tbm as we should have been?
> However, I've found pretty much every Mormon I
> know believes whatever they want and still call
> themselves a Mormon.

Totally. The social club of Mormon.

I just repeatedly heard that one absolutely could love wrongly. Per Nelson and lots of other profit$. Often quoting John: 'Do not love the world, neither the things of the world, for they who love the world do not have the love of the Father in them.'

'Love is love' was what I learned from The Beatles. Post-Maharishi.



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I remember hearing the Beatles quite a bit while growing up. Maybe they had a greater influence than the profits? lol

Wonder if Nelson was thinking of Tainted Love a la Soft Cell?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNrHoGi4E6w



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eternal1 Wrote:
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> Wonder if Nelson was thinking of Tainted Love a la
> Soft Cell?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNrHoGi4E6w

Yes! That must be it!

'Crazy in Love' would fulfill the 'wrong love', too. So many opportunities to love wrongly in this world.

carameldreams Wrote:
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> eternal1 Wrote:
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>
> > I was taught, in my tbm family, love was love
> and love is good.
>
> No offense, but that doesn't sound 'tbm' to me.

Give some TBMs a bit of credit. They get it, and they're just doing their best.

What you fail to understand is the power of hate. It can fill the
heart as surely as love can.

-- Captain Nemo

You area so right . The religion is based on hate , not love.

God I hate that church.

The man is 93. Of the generation that being a homosexual is a perverted form of love

Oh, I don't know. My father was born well before Nelson, and even he realized that homosexuality is a part of life. Some people willfully choose to keep their heads in the sand.

Stuck in the past is not a goo excuse, especially for a Seer.

Plenty of people his age have kept up with the times and with kindness.

Sorry, but this is just more outrageous "Mormon speak". TSCC has a weird way of twisting their words so it sounds like they aren't saying what they really are saying.

In this case, TSCC came out as saying that it's not a sin to be gay, only a sin to act or give-in to the temptations associated with being gay.

By saying that Satan is tempting someone to "love as they should not love" he, Nelson, is basically saying that gay feelings or feelings of "same sex attraction" (as TSCC likes to call it) are temptation from Satan and not an innate, sinless state. It cannot be both ways. Being gay is either a faultless, blameless reality or it's a temptation from Satan. Which is it Nelson? By implication he's stating that someone who is tempted has some work to do in overcoming those constant temptations because they come from Satan. I don't get how a gay person can overcome the feelings of being gay. When did Satan suddenly have anything to do with it?

This kind of talk must drive gay Mormons up the wall.

I think Oaks put him up to it. It seems to be all he ever thinks about. Oaks is Balaam and Nelson is his talking ass.

^^^^

Great points, Pooped.

From the Nelson fireside:

“These appetites are absolutely essential for the perpetuation of life. So, what does the adversary do?” Nelson asked. “He attacks us through our appetites. He tempts us to eat things we should not eat, to drink things we should not drink, and to love as we should not love.”

I'm probably reading into this too much, but what kind of procreation involves eating and drinking?

He didn’t say procreation, he said “perpetuation of life”. Eating and drinking are necessary to the perpetuation of life. Small point, but just thought I’d clear up his meaning.

It bugs me big time when Mormon leaders keep ignoring the fact that members are not all created from cookie cutter Mormon families.

Nelson implores the youth at this meeting to research their family histories and learn "who they are" from this research.

Somebody needs to clue this guy into the fact that some people have no idea who their families are nor from where they come. And some youth have absolutely horrific families and family histories. What would be the take away if you find out your family comes from the mob, serial killer, rapist, murderer, cult leader, etc.? I had a missionary companion who was depressed because her dad was adopted and had no family history he knew about. This kind of garbage can seriously depress a youth.

Then there are the kids who do genetic testing and find out their dad is not their dad or they were adopted or came from sperm donation. If an immature kid has to wrap their brain around information like that, it can really cause them serious emotional turmoil. Where does this guy get his inspiration?????

Why not encourage these youth to find who they are from within, from meeting a wealth of diverse people, from attempting new and different challenges? We all have unique personalities, abilities, and opportunities. Trying to be like someone from their ancestry seems like a recipe for disaster, depression, and frustration.

If this guy is a prophet I'll eat my hat, my coat, and my boots.

Anonandanon Wrote:
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> Why not encourage these youth to find who they are
> from within, from meeting a wealth of diverse
> people, from attempting new and different
> challenges? We all have unique personalities,
> abilities, and opportunities. Trying to be like
> someone from their ancestry seems like a recipe
> for disaster, depression, and frustration.
>
> If this guy is a prophet I'll eat my hat, my coat,
> and my boots.

Uh, are you or were you LDS?

He is such a despicable excuse of a human being. I'd dare say the worst pretense of a holy man who has ever been president of the corporation.

Way way way agree. Vile, hateful man.

Food and drink and love? Un-blessed food? Pepsi (oh, wait, I mean) Coffee? Love the sinner?

More Mormon sleight-of-hand. Why don't Mormons address the REAL temptations/sins of Satan:

How about polygamy, Nelson?

How about lying?

Extorting money?

Using people for slave labor, to work for nothing but false promises.

Threatening people, and scaring them?

Taking away people's human rights?

How about HATRED, Elder Nelson?

Nelson said, "Unconditional love is Anti-Christ." He and his cult lost my respect, right there. Mormons should love only on the condition that their loved ones are conforming to what the Mormon cult defines as "The Gospel." As for those who don't obey...harass them...and if they still don't obey...shun them! Don't love anyone who is evil, lazy, offended, or wanting to sin.

This is just a crazy old coot, spewing lies for a cult. Who cares what he said. (We wish our loved ones wouldn't care, either.)

Mother Who Knows Wrote:
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> Food and drink and love? Un-blessed food? Pepsi
> (oh, wait, I mean) Coffee? Love the sinner?
>
> More Mormon sleight-of-hand. Why don't Mormons
> address the REAL temptations/sins of Satan:
>
> How about polygamy, Nelson?
>
> How about lying?
>
> Extorting money?
>
> Using people for slave labor, to work for nothing
> but false promises.
>
> Threatening people, and scaring them?
>
> Taking away people's human rights?
>
> How about HATRED, Elder Nelson?
>
> Nelson said, "Unconditional love is Anti-Christ."
> He and his cult lost my respect, right there.
> Mormons should love only on the condition that
> their loved ones are conforming to what the Mormon
> cult defines as "The Gospel." As for those who
> don't obey...harass them...and if they still don't
> obey...shun them! Don't love anyone who is evil,
> lazy, offended, or wanting to sin.
>
> This is just a crazy old coot, spewing lies for a
> cult. Who cares what he said. (We wish our loved
> ones wouldn't care, either.)


Did their profit really say that unconditional love is anti-Christ??? Was this over the pulpit or in an interview? I just might have to bring it up to my TBM parents to illustrate a point.

Thank you for the links. I cannot believe that TBMs eat up that tripe and are ok with it.

Doesn't God have better things to worry about? War, poverty, slavery, pestilence, starvation, loss, hunger? Get a grip, Russell Nelson.

Oh... I'm sure he tried as hard as he could. Give the guy a break: he's 93!

The devil tempts us to love, and the god demands we hate.

I like this! If I used facebook I'd like you (thumbs up) DonBagley!

Love this.

donbagley Wrote:
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> The devil tempts us to love, and the god demands
> we hate.

I love this, too!!!

Truer words . . . .

I think loving that old poop-head (Nelson) so much that you’d work three jobs to support him and sell your blood to pay tithing is “loving as we should not love.”



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Love who we tell you to love ... and that's an order from god !

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At least he admitted there was "love" involved.
That's a step in the right direction.

A very tiny one, and mostly negated by insisting that "love" came from an imaginary bad-guy...

But a step.

Next time somebody sees him in public, yell out, "Hey, Russell! Thanks for admitting gay people are in love! Way to go!"

Watch him cringe...

And just think...we have Oakes after him.

Done that, not going there again.

My ex and I talk a lot about how we got here and what could have been.

Nobody knows the pain loving someone gay as a husband except those of us who have done it. I married him knowing. I LOVED HIM SO and still do. My son was playing some old music from when we were dating. He had no idea (my son didn't) and this song came on and I just started crying as I sat here working. Another song from that time was in a movie some years ago. My daughter worked at the movie theater and I'd go to a late movie to follow her home. This music came on and I didn't have a clue what it was, but I recognized it in tune, but not name and no words yet and I just started sobbing, and then the words.

I just realized the other day how much I still love my ex and how much I still WISH it could have been. BUT IT CAN'T and I'm sick of these mother fuckers thinking they KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They have no clue. They need to just shut the fuck up.

"He tempts us to........love as we should not love.”

Clearly he is referring to homosexuality, but he could also mean that "unconditional" love thingy. Mormons don't like love unless it has conditions.

Who do you study under to become an expert on Satan?

I don’t imagine the LDS Church will ever stop beating this drum regarding homosexuality. Hopefully the old geezer’s comments cause some of the faithful to question things. In the meantime it will harm gay members, likely making them feel bad about something they already are torn up about. So shitty.

Once Again, MoLeaders can't quite say what's really on their mind(s);


What a bunch of WIMPS!



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Satan tempts some to pontificate as if they were God's representatives on the planet.

I think I'm in trouble here.
I think the "conditional love' thing makes some sense.
Think about the times you disappointed, saddened and angered your parents. They probably weren't too crazy about you at the time. They still loved you but that love probably wasn't floating to the top under the circumstances. They might have punished you in some way. Wouldn't heavenly parents be the same?

As far as loving the way we shouldn't...I didn't think Satan had much to do with love of any kind.



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