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Posted by: xtremewayz ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 12:04AM

Not my original content, but posting here to keep those searching......informed.

*BREAKING* President Nelson's Flight Story proven to be Fabrication
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WHERE PRESIDENT NELSON OR OTHERS HAVE TOLD THE STORY

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1992/05/doors-of-death?lang=eng

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/28/22355277/president-nelson-invites-all-to-feel-the-peace-and-hope-of-easter-by-focusing-on-the-savior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EMwKxmTLaCs&ab_channel=TheChurchofJesusChristofLatter-daySaints

Russell M. Nelson, From Heart to Heart: An Autobiography (Salt Lake City: Nelson, 1979)

Russell M. Nelson: Father, Surgeon, Apostle – Spencer J Condie: Author

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/friend/1994/06/most-important?lang=eng Russell M. Nelson, The Gateway We Call Death (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1995)

https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/2004-09-18/gospel-principles-vital-to-correct-living-94995

https://www.deseret.com/2006/4/15/19948411/death-is-part-of-life-ex-surgeon-says

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-09-03/president-nelson-delivers-historic-message-to-dominican-latter-day-saints-in-spanish-8931

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-nelson-shares-5-lessons-life-has-taught-me-with-49000-in-safeco-field?lang=eng

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-10-26/president-nelson-finds-church-thriving-in-uruguay-thanks-to-multiple-generations-of-members-missionaries-156122

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019

THE CLAIMS PRESIDENT NELSON HAS MADE THAT WERE RED FLAGS

1.) One Engine on a small Two Engine plane Exploded.2.) Said Engine caught fire.3.) In the Explosion flammable material was spread to the plane and the plane itself was on fire.4.) The plane did a “Death Spiral” which extinguished the fire5.) The Pilot “turned on the Other Engine”6.) The plane landed in a “Farmer’s Field”

THE FACTS THAT ALLOWED OTHERS TO NARROW WHAT TO LOOK FOR

1.) The Date of the flight was reported as November 12, 19762.) He was flying from SLC to St. George to attend the inauguration of W. Rolfe Kerr as the president of Dixie College.3.) Anytime a plane incurs a malfunction or there is a mechanical flight issue or pilot error the Law requires such to be recorded. The Explosion would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The plane on fire would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The Death Spiral would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The landing in a Farmer’s Field would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report.

IF THE STORY OCCURRED THE WAY PRESIDENT NELSON HAS REPORTED, THERE ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE A REPORT THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. MOST FABRICATIONS HINGE ON SOME GRAIN OF TRUTH, SO MANY IN THE POST-MORMON COMMUNITY WENT INTO DETECTIVE MODE.

THE FLIGHT REPORT FOR THIS FLIGHT WAS FINALLY LOCATED (IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND DUE TO THE MUNDANE ISSUES INCURRED THAT SEEMINGLY CONTRADICT NELSON’S STORY )

r/exmormon - *BREAKING* President Nelson's Flight Story proven to be Fabrication
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/wNa3AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1090&dq=skywest+incidents+1976

1.) Engine never exploded and continued to run though rough2.) There was no Engine Fire.3.) The Plane itself was never on fire4.) The Other Engine was never off4.) The plane made a “Precautionary" landing (meaning it didn't have to land except company policy dictates so) at the airport in Delta Utah and not a farmer’s field5.) There are other smaller issues with number of passengers, length of flight, cutting fuel line to both engines, and the date of the flight but we grant some benefit of the doubt for distorted memory.

If the Church or its defenders want to claim the conclusion that this flight one day earlier is NOT the flight President Nelson is speaking about, then the burden of proof is on them to provide the evidence. To claim there was another “SKY WEST” flight also going from SLC TO SAINT GEORGE” that had “WORSE ISSUES” “ONE DAY LATER”, then provide the “MANDATORY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FLIGHT REPORT” of said flight. Without such, said conclusion by the defenders would require more conjecture and allowances.

r/exmormon - *BREAKING* President Nelson's Flight Story proven to be Fabrication
The Plane believed to be the One Nelson rode that day

We covered this last night on Mormonism LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz4iQk1M9l4

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Posted by: smirkorama ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 12:29AM

after all, fanciful tales are the very foundation of the Book of MORmON hoax and the Book of MORmON church SCAM

even so, Russell has a long way to go to begin to compete with the real masters of Book of MORmON church BS and LIES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6506Bc1BHls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YEMX0VooD4

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 09:33AM

A GA lying?
SURELY YOU JEST!!!
HOW COULD IT BE SO?

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Posted by: Chicken N. Backpacks ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 11:52AM

And don't call me Shirley.

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Posted by: cheezus ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 09:50AM

What can one expect when one is led by .... lying leaders?

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Posted by: cheezus ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 12:05PM

RFM and Brother Reel did a nice presentation on this. They hit it on the head when I think it was RFM who says, if the current prophet and leaders can lie and deceive, that makes it much easier to believe the founders did too.

Rusty has been telling the tall tale for 45 years now... and told it enough that even he believes it now.

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Posted by: BoydKPeckerChecker ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 02:23PM

It is a Parable.

You know, like Paul Dunn and Jesus told.

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Posted by: NormaRae ( )
Date: July 31, 2021 03:32PM

I was going to say the same thing. Paul Dunn wasn’t a liar either. He was just teaching lessons through parables. Although they made him an emeritus rather quickly to take the focus off his li… I mean “parables.” I don’t think they’ll do the emeritus prophet thing. Rusty will be out of commission soon.

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Posted by: RPackham ( )
Date: July 23, 2021 03:08PM

Other examples (but not all - there isn't enough time!):

"Mormon Lying"

http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htm

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: July 25, 2021 11:36AM

If I don't have to prove it I can say almost anything and expect you to believe it!

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Posted by: babyloncansuckit ( )
Date: July 25, 2021 12:10PM

Sure, but it’s okay. He’s lying for the Lord. You have to remember the GAs have Postum in the temple with Jesus. The work needs to go forth. Facts just get in the way.

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Posted by: Dr. No ( )
Date: July 25, 2021 01:54PM

Russ Nelson is a LIAR
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Kinda like saying the Pope is Catholic

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Posted by: heartbroken ( )
Date: July 25, 2021 02:15PM

All church leaders are groomed to lie. Imagine what an ego trip it must be to believe you are the mouthpiece of God and the leader of the only "true" church on earth. That makes the "prophet" the most important man on earth!

Being the most important man on the planet and the only man who talks with God brings a lot of pressure. Twice a year he stands before all church members to spew out oh so important words. He needs a story - - a really good faith promoting story. So he fabricates a little and then rationalizes that it's okay to fabricate because it's for the greater good.

I was just a nobody peon in the Mormon church, but after giving 2.5 minute talks in church starting when I was 13 years old, I'd often imagine myself giving a talk after having an experience I thought would be great to share with the congregation. For example, If I had a near miss bicycle accident, I'd imagine myself standing before the congregation at the church podium, telling about my brush with death and how I was sure I was being looked after. I did this frequently while TBM - always mentally creating a talk after an experience I thought would move church members, and imagining myself delivering my experience verbally to a very impressed and riveted-to-my-every-word congregation. LOL.

The "prophet" is the regular church member on steroids. He has to deliver a faith promoting message to the entire church. So when Nelson was in a plane that experienced turbulence, he could picture himself in general conference delivering a talk about his near death experience and how he KNEW he was being looked after because he said a prayer.

The prophet has to lie. He doesn't receive revelation or have a conversation with God. Like the rest of us when TBM, he's been groomed to zero in on feelings and give them meaning. A good feeling is "the spirit." A bad feeling is "the adversary." Same with good and bad experiences. They are not random but have meaning that can be spun into a faith promoting talk in church or article in the Ensign. Such pressure. Of course the "prophet" is going to fabricate and exaggerate.

Unlike "normal" people going through a scary experience on a plane, Nelson, like all good TBMs, imagined himself in church, giving a talk about what happened on the plane. He could picture himself on the podium and the audience riveted to his every word. If a little embellishment of the facts creates "the spirit" it's all good.

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Posted by: elderolddog ( )
Date: July 25, 2021 02:44PM

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture repainted, every statue, street, and building renamed, every date altered. And the process continues day by day. . .   Nothing exists except an endless present in which the (church) is always right.”

   -George Orwell, “1984”, (teensy bit altered)

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 30, 2021 03:08AM

Ha! Ha! I don’t know that we teach that. The use of the word Mormon is of the devil. Cancel the Book of Mormon pageant and put Jesus in the front window.

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Posted by: thedesertrat1 ( )
Date: July 28, 2021 04:36PM

He doesn't care! His power position is secure. TBM's will not believe the story no matter if it is true or not. their minds are closed to any such truths about "the prophet"
The proceedure is Preach tell the truth!!
Then lie lie lie

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 30, 2021 03:10AM

Russ likes being the big fish in a small pond of brainwashed fish who follow him wherever he swims.

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Posted by: Rubicon ( )
Date: July 30, 2021 03:02AM

We used to call it Scare West airlines.

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Posted by: Free Man ( )
Date: August 04, 2021 12:30AM

How could he be a liar? Regarding the Covid vaccine, he said:

"We have prayed for this literal godsend. Receiving the vaccine is part of our personal efforts to be good global citizens."

https://twitter.com/nelsonrussellm/status/1351575425756012546?lang=en

In addition:

“Today, we are pleased to announce three key initiatives that have emerged from our many discussions and prayerful planning,” said President Russell M. Nelson at a news conference, shortly after meeting with NAACP leadership in the Church Administration Building on Temple Square in Salt Lake City.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/first-presidency-naacp-shared-vision

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Posted by: xtremewayz ( )
Date: August 05, 2021 12:19AM

and yet.........two worldwide fast prior to the vaccination.....DID NOTHING hhahahahahaha

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Posted by: Deb's dd ( )
Date: August 05, 2021 02:44AM

OMG, the FP looks absolutely almost ridiculously giddy in that photo!

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