Date: November 24, 2023 07:36PM
I would be inclined to agree with you, but then I remember her "I'm not transphobic but, (fearmongering about trans girls and how they're a threat women's sports)." I was browbeat into an apologies I shouldn't have given and moved into a place with my girlfriend (note to Susan I/S: thank you for recommending using shirts to wrap plates and glass. Nothing broke and it saved on boxes!) and came back here after a little more research.
Here's a link to an NPR article about the scientific basis for banning trans athletes, and it's quite interesting.https://www.npr.org/2021/03/18/978716732/wave-of-new-bills-say-trans-athletes-have-an-unfair-edge-what-does-the-science-s
From an interview with geneticist Dr. Eric Vilain I found interesting,
"We know that men have, on average, an advantage in performance in athletics of about 10% to 12% over women, which the sports authorities have attributed to differences in levels of a male hormone called testosterone. But the question is whether there is in real life, during actual competitions, an advantage of performance linked to this male hormone and whether trans athletes are systematically winning all competitions. The answer to this latter question, are trans athletes winning everything, is simple — that's not the case. And higher levels of the male hormone testosterone are associated with better performance only in a very small number of athletic disciplines: 400 meters, 800 meters, hammer throw, pole vault — and it certainly does not explain the whole 10% difference.
"And lastly, I would say that every sport requires different talents and anatomies for success. So I think we should focus on celebrating this diversity, rather than focusing on relative notions of fairness. For example, the body of a marathon runner is extremely different from the body of a shot put champion, and a transwoman athlete may have some advantage on the basketball field because of her height, but would be at a disadvantage in gymnastics. So it's complicated."
So, it's not as simple as "testosterone is like Bane's Venom" and "once a male, always a male." Who'da thunk?
Oh yeah, anybody and me.
And what happened? A boomer tantrum over "our agenda" (which was, what again? I can never remember, was it "glitter bomb a militia" or "steal every cop's right bootlace?") and dismissed because we don't have kids and "boys and girls are different!" and "you're insulting me for not wanting to protect women* in sports!"
*Terms and Conditions Apply.
I know I should go easier since we were in a cult that gave the Priesthood to one gender like the penis is a magic meat wand, but people I care about get caught up in this argument against trans folks. I know I apologized to Lot's Wife, summer, and Done & Done, but I've had time to think.
One of the reasons I left Mormonism is because I felt I had to constantly compromise who I am to remain. When I left, I wanted to never do that again. I never wanted to feel that again.
You used bunk science to talk trash about trans folks, and I compromised to feel safe.
I apologized because I wanted to feel like I could still fit in on this board, to not deal with the shame of going against the elders. After spending time with the woman I love, I honestly don't give a fuck anymore.
You're a talented researcher, Lot's Wife, but you're as full of shit as Rubicon and macaRomney when it comes to trans "debate." And that goes for you too, summer and Done & Done.
I'm done compromising for people like you.
To Eric and Susan: I'm sorry this board has descended into a pit of transphobia. I kept suspecting I'd get blamed for calling them out for this and I'm done living with that suspicion. Thank you for all the years you've kept this board running and the help it once gave me.