Just wondering if the Mormon church still foresees a mass exodus to Missouri. Or does that fall into the "I don't know that we teach that" bin? One of my tbm relatives recently tossed out a 1960s era book on this topic. Not sure if the topic is boring him or embarrassing him.

It is another one of those teachings that is not mentioned much anymore. I think the church realizes that the topic is seen by non-Mormons as one of the weirder teachings of the church.

In my seminary class it was hinted on multiple occasions that it would be the "New Jerusalem."

Here I am, 14 years old and I'm tortured by a bat-shit seminary teacher who brings up the anticipated trek to Missouri every G*D* day. Like I wasn't stressed enough just figuring out what to do with my puperty-turned-my-hair-curly problems. Today's TBM 14 year olds would not even understand why Missouri was being mentioned.

"I don't know that we ever taught that"

Future prophet on television talking about Mormon doctrines that are laughable.

It isn't really taught anymore...Craziness like this and the Garden of Eden in Missouri cause the church a lot of embarrasment so it is no longer taught...It isn't essential to your salvation or whatever anymore...Give it several generations and they will deny that it was ever taught.

I think it's still believed but not talked about among mainstream Mormons because it's weird and embarrassing. I actually have a very TBM friend (well she treats me like I have a highly contagious communicable disease since I left the church) and she just moved to Jackson county and posts things on FB like "I m at the garden of Eden!" Even our mutual friends who are TBM think she's totally weird for talking about that openly.

The gathering in Missouri is long established doctrine.

Until it's not.

maybe we can petition our gov't' to send all mormon and their supporters there? or maybe we can prove them un-american and deport thier as*es to Mexico? That might be better.

Yes, a week on Thursday by Greyhound Bus...

My husband's family believe's this doctrine very strongly. In fact, every year for Christmas I would get a new pair of hiking boots to walk back to Missouri in. I told them I wasn't walking to Missouri ever. I don't hear anymore about this doctrine, maybe because they know I am not walking with them or if it is because it is laughable after 45 years and they haven't had their relevation to start walking- I would let them take one of our vehicles but then again that doesn't take the sacrifice and work they would relish in. As Nancy Sinatra would say "START WALKING"!

I know people who are convinved that, when the time comes, they'll be walking to Missouri with handcarts.

I have a prof. whose father moved to Missouri, he is a former RLDS.

As I've pointed out before, there are already more Mormons in Missouri then there was in Joseph Smith's time. This is what is known as a return, and none of the prophetic things that were supposed to happen happened when it did. Of course Jesus only cares about Utah Mormons, and prophesies only apply to them.

Apparently they don't read their scriptures. BEFORE the saints return, the land will be wiped clean. There won't be so much as a yellow dog left to wag his tail(paraphrase).

So, it begs the question. Why? Why would anyone move there know it was going to be wiped clean and totally devoid of life BEFORE the so called saints return?

To bad it wasn't San Francisco we all had to walk to. At least there would have been more to look forward to. Good food, Golden Gate Bridge, bars, porno, strip clubs, street cars, China Town, Lombard street, Giants baseball, 49ers football. Leave it up to boring, conservative old men to pick one of the top ten most regressive states in the union.

A few weeks ago I was explaining to my therapist how as a kid we always had to have broken-in hiking boots that were kept under our beds and the 72-hour kit backpacks ready to go to hike back there at any second...

She sat there looking at me like she just wanted to give me a big hug, and this chat actually led me to my break-through on why I've never wanted to have kids, because I didn't want to have to drag them through the crap that was supposed to be coming up any time.

I know my TBM mom still believes. They kept a crappy motorhome around forever thinking they could maybe use that to travel back and live in, and recently towed it away and bought a small trailer that they keep packed with things so they can drop everything and heed the call...

You must understand, at the time that Joe Jr. foretold this the local world was much more gullible. Joe and Brigham both could and did say anything that came to mind and the gullible swallowed it whole. Not so much now a days.

It was being openly taught in the 90s. The RS in one of my wards even started a walking program to get everyone in shape, because it was sure to happen soon. Flash forward a decade or so, and none of my kids were taught it in seminary; the youngest scoffed when I said it had once been doctrine.

It's still around, though, even if not officially taught. A couple of years ago there was a "preparedness expo" in Happy Valley that I heard co-workers discussing; supposedly one vendor even had model handcarts!

To what extent this is conflated with the zombie apocalypse isn't clear...

I am pretty excited about the zombie apocalypse. And I know just where to go for some major looting--Jackson County, MO!!



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MoLeaders... at least in the past... were Glad that there wasn't a hard/fast delineation between Official & non-official.
The distinction has only lately become apparent, but no one can say when the distinction itself became official.

However, in the past, the feature 'Answers to Gospel Questions' found in the Ensign had a disclaimer; so did the church once say that GA written books weren't officially doctrine ("Mormon Doctrine", others) but rather 'the best wisdom of the author'.

nailing Jell-O to the wall was once the primary Mo sport!

Well here's the deal--if the Morg really thought much about Missouri, they would have bought tons of land to subdivide and then charge outlandish real estate prices in the name of building up Zion. Instead, we have them building subdivisions in Florida and Salt Lake Valley. That says a lot! The Boner.

I served my mission in Samoa from 1969 to 1971. I knew a number of locals who had saved-up and moved to Missouri at that time. Others were making plans to do so.

Nobody could figure out how to get a two years supply of food and 8 kids from Utah to Missouri during an apocalypse, so they gave up on that crazy idea.

In 1992 A GA told me that going to Missouri in the last days would be like getting a church calling. There would be certain people that would be called on the QT. Those people would then fly, and have a moving van bring the rest of their stuff. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. It was Elder Bateman that said that.

Everyone can now get rid of the hand carts that have been collecting dust in the garage.



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Here's a 1979 Ensign article that calls a lot of what was always taught as 'fact' myth...

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1979/04/missouri-myths?lang=eng

Yeah, they're backing away from it.

Yeah....I don't know any mormons that have cattle they would be willing to herd across the great plains.

Imagine seeing that while driving down the interstate. JS didn't have a prophetic bone in him. He didn't forsee airplanes, moving vans, Diesel trucks, of for that matter, railroads.

Nope, we'd be driving cattle (laughable), and singing old Roy Rogers songs by the campfire.

Which reminds me. I was told by several bishops that the reason they decided to make girls camp into a miserable experience instead of a great one, was so the women would know how to cook over a fire. Because, you know, they will need that when they go back to Missouri. Sorry bish, i'd rather stay here in my mild PNW climate where I can grow food year around than drive cattle to Missouri.

Yes, Mormons are batshit crazy.

TBM's pretty much know and believe that Jesus will return and when he does it will be to Independence Mo. We can assume he is not coming to visit the H S Truman library. The following site is the official TBM teaching on the subject.

https://www.lds.org/new-era/2005/05/independence-living-in-zion?lang=eng

Biblical and traditional Christianity has always and still does teach that Jesus will return to Jerusalem.

Next/Latest Article of Faith:
We Don't believe in dead prophets OR precise communication.

...or is there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Greek_Island



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Donny is always popping in to Branson

Sometime about ten years ago, I went to a fireside where the speaker was the caretaker or something for Adam Ondi Ahman--or whatever the hell it is-too lazy to look it up. They do still keep it up as a church history site and of course, he went on and on about how it was the Garden of Eden so the church has not totally backed away from it.--And it is still a vacation destination for families making that glorious trek across the country in mini-vans, making a new generation of believers as miserable as possible.

All I can say is that if the Garden of Eden was in Missouri, Adam and Eve never would have gotten any sleep with all those damn insects yakking all night long...

Yes, when The Chiefs win the Superbowl.

It's a funny, whacky teaching, but it is also really sad when it affects people you love in a negative way. My mom really lost it once - she thought the world was going to end - imminently, and she'd have to walk to Missouri. And at the time, she was in need of a knee replacement. At first I told her that it wasn't going to happen, but that just made her fight harder for her beliefs. Then I told her that if she made it to my house in Colorado, I'd give her ride to the Kansas border. And not tell anyone that she hadn't walked all the way. It was so sad. I was glad that my sis got her to the doctor and on some anti-depressants within that week.