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Brother Of Jerry
OK, folks, get your pearls out. You're going to need something to clutch. The Garden Restaurant in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building next to Temple Square reopened last week. Their soft drink menu items include bottled Coke, bottled Diet Coke, and bottled Dr Pepper. https://thegardenslc.com/view-the-garden-menu-fresh-lunch-at-temple-square/
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Yesterday
Brother Of Jerry
Coffee mug? Even if you don't drink coffee, it will ward off "the Spirit"™
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
There’s one in Nauvoo, just outside Iowa state line, one in Omaha, just across the river on the other side of the state, and one under construction in Des Moines, dead center of the state. And Iowa is not that big of a state.
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
>But don't worry about the red meat - that was a lie invented by the sugar industry more than 50 years ago.... ;) Right. The sugar industry bought a bunch of nutrition scientists to spread lies about meat. Why didn't the meat industry buy their own scientists to spread the truth about sugar? I hear they have a fair amount of money too. Are they that inept?
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Summer didn't write what you quoted. Sure Thing did. Summer is not a food conspiracist.
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Well, they are minimally processed. I suppose if you wanted to be a real purist, you could just eat 'em straight.
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
OK, first of all, John the Revelator is European, not 'Murican. I hear he was a stunt-double for Anthony Quinn in Zorba the Greek. Second, he's not good with tires. Tyres. Whatever. That's a specialty for the Three Nephites.
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Yes. I was just at the funeral of my last uncle from my mom's family, a former SP, MP and Temple Pres, Area Authority, so second tier Mormon royalty. A non-member (exMo) adopted son, and TBM daughter spoke at the funeral. Three other siblings (all TBM as far as I know) did not speak. There were 4 musical numbers, 3 by a Tongan choir that appeared to be only part Mormon. One of my uncle's daugh
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
They do issue the equivalent of a pin for getting one's endowment - temple garments. That's why there is a "garmie feel-up", to see if someone is part of the in-crowd. I believe bishops are referred to as Bishop <name> after being released, though I don't know that for a fact. I grew up in a branch, and never actually knew any released bishops. Maybe they can issue ribbons,
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Speaking as a Pole, I find all this talk of a pole trimmer, er, ominous.
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Sometimes messing around with nature causes more problems, not less. Rabbits in Australia being a case in point, or kudzu in Georgia. OTOH, hybrid corn and wheat worked out pretty well. Or smallpox vaccine. Or all the dog breeds, for that matter, that were for the most part created by humans. As for humans meddling with weather, a few hundred airplanes doing cloud seeding now and then is n
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I agree with blindguy. I have hung out around Mormons and Unitarians for decades, and have friends who were part of the Episcopalian hierarchy. In all that time, I have never heard of a candidate being endorsed over the pulpit. Issues, yes, which has always been permissible, but not candidates. I just tried to look up if Al Sharpton is actually a minister of a congregation. The search hits I g
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I'm not buying the premise. They may have mainstream envy, but not cross envy, especially at the institutional level. All of this hoo-ha over steeples is just a branding issue, kind of like golden arches. They want to be noticed, and vaguely equated with New England style churches, which is where they originated, after all. So, I think they do have steeple envy. Funny thing is, in those New
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5 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
There are more former Mormons than current active Mormons. "So you're never going to get through to them" is overrated.
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6 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Johnny Lingo and the 8 Cow Wife. Follow up with “Man’s Search for Happiness”
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6 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
“I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man.”
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7 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Does that mean churches can now pay taxes?
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7 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Where’s the flippable submarine and the glo-stones?
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Leaving Mormonism was hard enough for me. I can hardly imagine what it was like under the spotlight of being ETB's eldest grandson, and a public figure in his own right thanks to his political cartoons. I was going to add that calling out Dallin Oaks and BKP as liars was hard too, but on second thought, working at a newspaper, that is an utterly natural reflex. I bet he had no problem doing th
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I think two things make this particularly tragic. First, all the deaths at a summer camp. Summer camp is assumed to be safe, and no doubt parents are anxious anyway. So along comes their worst nightmare. And people tend to react to a crisis as if it is already as bad as it is going to get, which is often true. If there is 6 inches of water in the cabin, you might think it may go up another fo
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Weather modification is a thing. A very tiny thing. Cloud seeding can have some effect on where the rain will fall, but it doesn't change the amount that will fall. The reason there are international agreements about it is that the downwind nations don't want the upwinders stealing all the rain that would normally come to them. Not an unreasonable concern.
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
The original displayed fine for me. You must not be paying your tithing. For shame.
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
All the stuff you describe is wallpaper, IMHO. Yeah, the wallpaper has been changed. All the walls are still in the same place. As I see it, the only substantive change in your list is the locking of the PoGP in the attic. I think the proliferation of temples is a substantial change, though the basic ordinances are the same, but with new wallpaper. I think claiming that the world "Mor
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
So Kolob is a black hole at the center of the galaxy? I guess it makes as much sense as is necessary for a myth, and beats moon quakers, which makes no sense.
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9 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
If memory serves, that sounds remarkably like the murder of Hypatia by the Christians of Alexandria in 415 CE. For a much more upbeat version of skinlessness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCS_powo7w
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9 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is not violent? Did you miss the part about people being incinerated with a flame thrower (among other bits)?
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Oh, come on! Everybody knows Jewish space lasers are being used to disrupt the Bible Belt weather. It's an insidious plot to corrupt our precious bodily fluids.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Yeah, a two year supply of canned wheat. And 50 liters of canola oil.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
GNPE got me thinking, in the US and Canada, what are the longest rides from an existing LDS congregation to the nearest temple. I made my best guess as to which temple a congregation would be assigned to. I usually picked the physically closest one, though often that is not the case, so take these distances as minimums. The actual temple a congregation is assigned to may be even farther away.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I don't know if temple districts are still allowed to cross international borders. Until the Winnipeg temple was built, Dryden ON was assigned to the St Paul, MN temple. That wasn't that many years ago. Montpelier, VT is closer to Montreal, QC than it is to Boston. In fact all of northern VT and NE NY are closer to Montreal than to NYC or Boston, MA or Rochester NY. Maine, however is a lar
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