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Brother Of Jerry
The Q15 don't run any of the businesses. At most, they function as a board of directors. The last time LDS Inc was in a serious financial hole was in the 1950s/60s, when Henry Moyle dug them into a hole with chapel building and purchasing the Deseret Ranch. They are long since out of that hole, and the Deseret Ranch is literally worth billions thanks to the growth of Orlando, which is now encr
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Brother Of Jerry
As far as I know, LDS Inc carries no debt. They own a huge tree farm and huge cattle ranch/real estate development in Florida, both multiple hundreds of thousands of acres. Those two parcels constitute 2% of all the privately owned land in the state of Florida. They have large "welfare" ranches and farms around the world. I know they have property in Australia, Brazil, Argentina, and
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Yesterday
Brother Of Jerry
Websites always get your IP address. That is the only way the web site has of displaying a page in your browser. The owner may or may not know how to save and access that information, but it is a possibility.
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Brother Of Jerry
I'm an introvert. Statistically, I guess about a quarter to a third of RMs should be some level of introvert. I was not particularly good or happy at being a religion salesperson. Interestingly, I think I was less introverted in Portuguese. Not sure if that was true or just my perception. In any case, I survived. Introverts and Mormonism is not a very good match. :-/
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2 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
You can do it yourself in ten minutes. You fill out the form with your info, email it in, and wait 4 to 8 weeks. If you use a law firm, you have to print the form or have the law firm mail it to you, you fill it out, have it notarized, mail it to the firm, they mail it to LDS Inc, and you wait 4 to 8 weeks. The upside of a law firm is that they are your official contact with the church, so
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
You seem heavily invested in making resignation look both difficult and useless, neither of which is true. "I merely suggested that the net end result for many people isn't particularly different from other ways in which disaffiliation can be effected." I am amazed at the amount of trouble a few people will go through to get Mormons to leave them alone without actually resigning.
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
And Dos Equis is first runner-up.
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I found a semi-recent article. Apparently there is a $30 annual license. I haven't noticed groups doing Christmas music, but the amount of foot traffic near Temple Square/City Centre Mall from Thanksgiving on is incredible. Looks like the Busker Fest had some out of state groups invited. If you do some asking around, it might be possible to turn your visit into a paying gig. It's at least wit
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3 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
There are street corner buskers all summer along Main at 100 S to 300 S., usually Wednesday thru Saturday. They may be other places too. Those are the locations I notice. Usually solo acts, but I've seen small groups. I'll ask if there are any licensing requirements. I doubt that there are. On mall property I assume you'd need permission from mall management. I will return and report.
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Way to move the goal posts. In your first post you argued that there is little distinction between resigning and being excommunicated. Now you are arguing resigning is an arduous process. Baloney. You want arduous, try to cancel a cable contract. I've had magazine subscriptions that were more difficult to cancel than my LDS membership. The magazine contacted me more times than LDS Inc did.
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
If it's not worth your time to tell me what this is about, there is zero chance I will click that link.
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4 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life. -- Henry David Thoreau Your friend is constantly dangling BYU and Provo in front of you so you will see the light and return to the fold. She is bound and determined to save you.
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5 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I always liked Mike Tyson. Those grills he sells are really cool. I had no idea he was a scientist too! Damn. Do the immutable laws of the universe think there is a god? Do they think there are scientists? How do we know the immutable laws of the universe are actually immutable?
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6 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Regarding excommunication for speaking out, versus resignation, Wally Pricne said: "Both processes are controlled by the church. The church wants to designate critics and whistleblowers as "former members" implying to hard-of-thinking TBMs that the critic is just a disgruntled crank and troublemaker. I guess in following the church's procedures for formal resignation, the re
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7 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Going straight for a PhD makes sense. She clearly has the BS down pat.
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8 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
As Kirby pointed out so well, if anybody is a Christian in this debacle, it's her. This episode will make the First Presidency hate her all the more, because she has forced them to reveal themselves for what they really are – frightened old men.
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9 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Gracias, obrigado, kamsa-hamnida, spasibo, merci, and whatever the words are in Slovak, Polish and Gaelic, and Utahn. I started out thinking I’d do a couple or three stories, ended up with 8, and could easily do 4 more. I figured I was already testing people’s attention spans. I’m posting from a phone, which will cut down considerably on my wordiness. Factoid: both candidates for SLC ma
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I would expect that LDS Inc would pay return transportation for the deceased and family. Beyond that, I doubt they would cover expenses. My guess is MPs are expected to keep whatever life insurance they had before their mission call, I can hear the claims that he is serving a mission in Paradise. Makes me want to bang my head on the table.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Eight points: 1) I grew up in an east coast coal mining town that was heavily immigrant. People came in to Ellis Island, and were shipped off to Pennsylvania to mine coal. In a local coal mine museum, they have the miners' instructions that were posted in the mines. They were written in 6 different languages. When I was a kid, there were two Yiddish weeklies in town. All my HS friends had gran
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Hate to break it to you, but your sealing is not void, it is suspended. If you get re-baptized they un-suspend it. LDS Inc gave you a unicorn in the temple, and they refuse to take it back. The best they will do is trade you for another unicorn if you decide to get sealed to some other "worthy priesthood holder". Like that is going to happen, though that is a different subject. Of c
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I am clearly the family black sheep in my generation. The next generation ranges from medium gray to deep black. I think I can take some credit for breaking the ice, to mix metaphors.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Poor taste? Cannibalism? I think that's a felony level pun!
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Somebody needs to put up two signs Sheep Crossing Slippery when wet
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
I think the real problem is swallowing click bait. :-/
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
It's difficult for someone to understand something when their entire identity and family and social structure depends on their not understanding it. Converts don't have that social pressure, so they are much more likely to walk away from Mormonism. It takes a couple generations to set the hooks really deeply.
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10 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
The only cost of revelation is batteries and ink refills for Rusty's lighted pen. As a side benefit, he can use it as a night light for nighttime trips to the bathroom.
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11 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Actually, Boris Johnson, UK Prime Minister, came up with a fairly unique insult, at least to my American ears – he called someone a "chlorinated chicken".
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11 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
She is already quietly ignored. If she weren't indirectly mentioned in one of Mormondom's most popular hymns, she'd be forgotten already. Even when I was a TBM, having a heavenly mother who was not allowed to communicate with her children in any way, shape, or form seemed bizarre. I think the most awkward part for LDS Inc is that it should really be Heavenly Mothers. I think that is really
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11 days ago
Brother Of Jerry
Mother in Heaven is nameless, faceless and voiceless. That seems like the very definition of "nonentity". That's what you're supposed to aspire to? D'oh!
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