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10 years ago
Makurosu
There were protesters who did this when Reagan spoke at the Marriott Center at BYU in the early 1990s. They shouted something and held up a big cloth sign. I couldn't read what it said. Reagan stopped for a moment and looked at them and then went on with his speech. The protest was completely ineffectual and they looked like fools. Then security came and got them. Good times.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Unless it's "Oh my crap!" which I also occasionally heard living in Zion.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Mission president: "The table is laid out before you. All that remains is for you to partake."
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10 years ago
Makurosu
And yet, I get the feeling that the doctrinal basis is throwaway. So long as you keep believing in Jesus, etc. the reasons why can be determined later, if that's really even necessary. In fact, it might be best to stop asking questions. Just do this thing, pay this money, vote for this guy, etc. and you're good.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
It was books that got me out, but this website helped a great deal by showing me that there were other people who felt the same way I did. I think anti-Mormon websites can be helpful for distilling the quotes down for efficient reading, but then I'm left with more questions about the context of the quotes. Why did he say such and such? Could he have meant this? etc. Reading a book is more work an
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10 years ago
Makurosu
When I was at BYU, I used to run into people all the time whom I thought I knew. "Hey Clark! How're you doing buddy!" "I'm not Clark, sorry." "Oh. (mortified.) My bad." It used to happen to me all the time. Yeah, diversity is good.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
And now the BestBookRead.com site has vanished. Huh.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
That's true. I'm sure she's smart enough to know which side her bread is buttered on.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
I don't know about Marie being an unbeliever. She seemed like she was moments away from a meltdown when she and Donny did that interview with Joy Behar and Joy said that the Book of Mormon musical was "the greatest show I've ever seen." That was a tense interview. Marie Osmond reminds me of my TBM mom.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
That's quite a list. Lots of similar literature on that.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Best wishes to you. I hope your troubles are temporary.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Maybe he should go to a different church.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
God created death so that other life could eat it and live another day. Yeah, I do wonder what sort of deity would create a system like that.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Doin' the none of your goddamn business.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Because that's what they strive for?
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10 years ago
Makurosu
I think people should be free to believe and worship whatever they want so long as they don't hurt anyone or break any laws, but I have a hard time with the whole "god" idea. It's hard for me to imagine a god in the traditional sense that works well with the laws of science, and I can't find any necessity for any other kind. Also, I don't like bait and switch arguments that leave room f
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10 years ago
Makurosu
I was about to post the same thing. When you're living with a partner or spouse, you sometimes don't realize how much that other person puts in until after you have split from them. I've been divorced several years, and there are still certain jobs I am not used to doing because my ex used to do them. You both kind of have to give 100% just to be sure.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
I don't have any ideas, but it sounds like a great excuse to file for an extension. :)
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Back when I was a Mormon, telling people that was my religion was like telling people that I like to wear my underwear on my head. Now that I'm an ex-Mormon, it's like telling people that I used to like to wear my underwear on my head, but now after many years of research and thoughtful consideration I've decided that's undignified. I prefer just not to bring it up, ever.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Rage quit.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Because God just sounds so much more serious than Gosh. Gosh is nothing more than a euphemism, but when you say God, everyone knows you mean serious business.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Back then religion wasn't at odds with science the way it is today. We thought that science and religion could be reconciled back then. Carl Sagan was more bold about his views in his version of Cosmos than Neil Degrasse-Tyson is now, and it was a little bit controversial but I remember thinking it was just Sagan's own personal opinion and he was entitled to it. Dad called Sagan a "jew"
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10 years ago
Makurosu
That photo's been going around for years. The last time I saw it, back in 2012, it was after Obama was re-elected and it was supposedly in Texas.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
I lived in the Twin Cities for eight years, and I think it was the best place I've ever lived. Best wishes to you.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
11 in one day? Yikes. That is really a lot for the south. I've seen two sets of missionaries in the last five years here in Tampa, and both times I drove past them in my car. But then, there aren't enough Mormons to go around. There are about the same number of people in the Tampa Bay metro area as in the entire state of Utah, and this isn't even the biggest city in the state.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
No, it didn't. We watched Cosmos as a family when it was first on PBS, and I was a member of the Planetary Society for years. My TBM parents are a lot more anti-science and racist now than they were then.
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Yes, from the local leadership. We were told that we were baptizing too many "jumpers" who never attended church again after they were baptized. Then the locals had to track these people down afterward, which was a lot of work for them. My mission president responded by telling us to baptize "future stake presidents" and "tithe payers" and he assigned us to go on spl
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10 years ago
Makurosu
There's a very good book about this called "Inside the Mind of Joseph Smith: Psychobiography and the Book of Mormon" by Robert D. Anderson. I'm going from memory, but Anderson diagnosed Smith with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Dissociative disorder, and a smattering of other things. Of course, this is going off of data from a person who had died more than 150 years prior to the boo
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10 years ago
Makurosu
It's not truly Easter until Dave the Atheist retells this joke, and it just never gets old. :)
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10 years ago
Makurosu
Jeff Holland is the one guy I can't figure out. He's ivy league educated, talented, smart, funny, and a really great guy in real life. I met him when I was in college. He's the one big wig in the Mormon church who could probably have done better with his life outside the Church. Then he gets into General Conference, and he rants and raves and sounds like a maniac. Or he makes some ridiculous asse
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