...Just when I think nothing TSCC does can surprise me, I'm wrong.
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was a Long Island iced tea. That's what I thought I was getting--some iced tea with a little alcohol in it. Later when I picked myself up off the ladies room floor after the room stopped spinning and I asked the person I was with what was in that iced tea, he just laughed and said, "well, no tea."
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I got to hear Dan Barker speak and do a seminar at our local university about a year ago. It was FABULOUS! He's so rational and has such a great background story too (he used to be a minister). Of course, this is the Bible Belt so a bunch of people came as detractors and got up and made comments when he was taking questions. He did a fantastic job of defusing them.
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My ex-husband's cousin and wife had a son die at 8 years old. The cousin (the father) hadn't been active and they weren't married in the temple. Of course, the pressure to go to the temple was extreme after that, with people even insuating that's why the Lard took him (he'd kill a child to get his parents to the temple?). So a year later they go to the temple to be sealed. My ex father-in-l
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Remember that story that if you put a frog in cold water and slowly heat it up, it won't jump. But if you throw him in a pot of boiling water, he'll immediately jump out and won't get cooked. Well, they need to start heating the water. The BOM is total fiction and that can't be hidden any more. If they start with "it's not a novel," or "it's not exactly history," and a
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Then finally I realized I didn't lose ANY. All that happened is that I got a chance to find out who had really been a friend and who hadn't. I made a trip to Utah a few weeks ago and got to visit with my couple real TBM friends. After all this time, the church has no impact whatsoever on our friendship. I count myself lucky to have had that chance to separate the wheat from the tares, as
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I was majoring in husbandology at Ricks and BYU, but my cover was a microbiology major because it's what I was interested in just in case I (gasp) got through college without being married. Lucky for me (or so I thought) I got married, pregnant, dropped out of college and followed "the plan." Unfortunately, when the plan didn't go exactly as planned all I could do was work as a secr
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Nothing makes me gag faster than those mormon family pictures where everyone dresses alike or in some theme--khaki, white, blue, denim, etc. And the funny thing is that it never bothered me 10 years or so ago. But now it just screams "see, we are teaching our children that individuality is evil--look how we all conform." I guess it's just that after escaping Conformity World things
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JS translating the BOM with a stone in his hat, or using an Egyptian funeral scroll as a medium to get revelation is not plausible. All it does is give them some kind of "answer" that you can't prove didn't happen. Just like you can't prove Santa doesn't have flying reindeer just because it's not plausible.
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In the mid 70s my dad had an auto electric business so when he traveled he always carried a couple different kinds of alternators with him, don't ask me why. So anyway he comes to Utah to pick me up from BYU after Fall semester and my brother was with us driving back to California. Can't remember why. So anyway, my brother was driving, I was in the front and my dad was asleep in the back of
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So, what? God couldn't come up with anything that would just target gays without having to have collateral damage? But years ago, in the early days of AIDS, my dad told me that. I'm sure he still believes it. Even then when I was still active, I wanted to say, "And this is the God we worship and are supposed to want to live for eternity with? Why? I used to want to think there woul
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When I was a young married, hubby newly enlisted in the military, new baby, we lived on nothing. But of course, we paid our 10%. But that was back in the days of the free cheese program and the bishop told the RS Pres to make it clear to the young married families (there were a number in this ward because it was a lower-income area close to the base), that we were not to participate in that pro
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I have a sibling who claims she's not homophobic because she works with gays and is "friends" with them. However, there's not a racist, sexist, or homophobic joke that she doesn't know and love to tell. Not to mention, she is a member of a cult with the most anti-gay agenda of any organized group in the country. She has NO gay FRIENDS.
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that any cute, smart, professional girl in her mid 20s or beyond feels like they have to find a mormon guy if they want to be married. There are so many great non-mo guys out there.
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It's not about a health code or morality or anything else. It's all about obedience. And the sheep are just supposed to follow and say Baaa. They would have to come out and actually say "Don't watch Private Practice," before it would even be something they'd think about. Not only were we not taught to think logically, we were discouraged from it.
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It only makes sense. Where are they going to get the money on their mission to make their CC payments. It's probably not as much of a problem now that credit cards are harder to get. But years back when they targeted college Freshman really hard, they could run up quite a debt before they were 19. I'd imagine that if mommy and daddy want them to go badly enough, they will feel obligated to pa
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So what--is the new line of the church that what the LDS leaders say is for the LDS and other people should just ignore it if they don't like it? That exact thing was posted by a couple of people who commented. Several replys address the fact that the mormons tell us it's God's one and only true church and in the end everyone has to be a member, or at least be baptized a member whether they acc
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is that they did it outside while everyone else was inside. I've seen military honors at 2 cremations. For one, they had people file outside and they did it in the parking lot of the church, but it was certainly not by any other buildings. For another they spread his ashes in the memory garden and did the salute there. It was really nice. Although my parents will have a normal morg funeral
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I always thought the ones who had it good were the ones who were just valiant enough to be born in the USA, in the "last days" to a good white family, but just not quite valiant enough to be born in the one and only twoo church. I mean, they'd get to have a normal life, not be part of a weird religion, get to marry the person of their choice, wear normal underwear, and when they die so
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You took me back to my Business Communications class in college. Nothin gave you a bad grade faster than using passive voice. You'd get your paper back with a big red note written across it: "Re-write with active voice!" But you got it right. The so-called men of God don't really wish to communicate anything, since they have nothing new to say. So they tell stories. Passive vo
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Thanks for the info, Jim. I want to commit some of those points to memory. They are such great talking points. The presentation was awesome and you are fun to listen to. Also enjoyed talking to you at lunch on Sunday. I will definately be purchasing the books.
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Yes, my dear lovely sister, if you did a search on my screen name, you just found out I was in Utah last weekend and attended the exmormon conference. Sorry I didn't get a chance to visit my so-called family while I was there. I was too busy with the non-hypocritical, non-judgmental, non-phony people and seeing the beauty of the Utah mountains to spend time with people from the other side and s
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I was just in Utah last week and stayed with one of my good exmo friends in Utah County. Her daughter is a Freshman at USU and has a full scholarship. She was on Fall break so came home so she could see me while I was there. She was also a little leery of what it was going to be like being an exmo there. Turns out she absolutely loves it. She has found many non-mo or exmo friends and in fa
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Last Saturday evening as we listened to Tal Bachmann speak. They were very real. And they all liked red wine.
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for families with a bunch of hungry kids. We used to make jello "salads" all the time. I haven't eaten jello in years now and the thought of eating artificially colored, artificially flavored, congealed sugar water makes me want to puke.
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