IIRC, Apostle William McLellin was disgusted that the dedication of the Kirtland temple was a "drunken orgy" because of the sacramental wine.
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When I was a kid in the 1940s I got a weekly allowance of 25¢. Every Sunday after church, I walked up to the bishop on the stand and gave him 2¢ or 3¢, alternating. And he would write me a receipt. What a good boy I was!
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Actually, in the 25 years +/- that I have been active in exmormon affairs and maintained a website, I have been a major cause of several Mormons deciding that it wasn't believable and leaving the church. They have told me so. I think I have also contributed in a lesser degree to others' leaving Mormonism. An excellent article in the latest issue of Freethought Today is by an atheist who freque
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Dave the Atheist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Either way your name is not removed. The church has two sets of records. One set is present members of the church. The other set is FORMER members of the church. When you resign, your name is removed from the active list. They (like magazine publishers and other legitimate enterprises) keep a record of forme
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Brother of Jerry is absolutely correct. The result is exactly the same. "Name removal" is what the church calls "resignation". The church refuses to use the term "resignation."
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All right. I give up. I quit. But please, since you are obviously much more learned in this than I am.... How would YOU have responded to the missionary?
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Lot's Wife wrote: >What you wrote was that the "Hebrew derived from 'Egyptian' (rather, 'proto-semitic') writing." That indicates that Egyptian and proto-Semitic writing are identical or at least closely related. Read up on the origin of the alphabet. Start with (for easy access) the Wikipedia article "History of the Alphabet" which says: " Its first origins
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I discuss the problem in my article "Linguistic Problems of Mormonism" at http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm#ENGRAVED
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Lot's Wife Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Quibbles regarding some of your assertions. > > First, Egyptian was not a Semitic language, nor a > descendant of proto-Semitic. It was a separate > branch of Afro-Asiatic languages. > > Second, while there was contact between ancient > Egypt and Mesopotamia, and perhaps a realization
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I was forwarded a missionary's post and asked to respond. The forwarding email: >Subject: Richard, what do you make of this? It was posted by a returned missionary defending Joseph Smith. Critics often bring up the fact that linguists and archaeologists do not refer to any written language as “reformed Egyptian” and suggest that it is “proof” that Joseph Smith was a fraud.
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Yes, but it's not just your pets. According to the prophets, ALL animals will be resurrected: Prophet Joseph Smith: John saw beings there of a thousand forms, that had been saved from ten thousand times ten thousand earths like this,-strange beasts of which we have no conception: all might be seen in heaven. The grand secret was to show John what there was in heaven. John learned
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The numbers are a little old now, but things can not have gotten better since they were valid. See my analysis from official census records of a few years ago: "How many exmormons are there?" http://packham.n4m.org/morexmos.htm Quick answer: more exmormons than active Mormons, by quite a bit.
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Mormon teaching about civil government is very contradictory. On the one hand, they teach that the US constitution was inspired by God, and that one day it will "hang as a thread," to be saved (and restored to rule) by Mormons. But Mormons also teach that ultimately the "kingdom of God" will be established, headed by an "anointed one" ("messiah") selecte
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Can anyone give me a link to websites for RMs who served in Bolivia or other South American countries? I know there are websites for RMs who served in specific missions, but I don't know how to find them. Thanks!
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Responding to several comments: AML is the Association for Mormon Letters, whose members review all books on Mormonism (pro and con) and post the reviews on their website. I tried to post a link to the review by Andrew Hamilton, but apparently something in the link is a banned word. The reviews are also sent to subscribers to the Yahoo mailing list MormonLibrary, which you can subscribe to by
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I posted this because this book apparently takes a completely different approach to how Smith produced the BoM. I tried to post a link to the review for AML, but it contained a banned word.
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An intriguing treatment, not so much about seer stones, but about Smith's knowledge and use of 19th century composition techniques. Davis: Visions in a Seer Stone: Joseph Smith and the Making of the Book of Mormon
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I have long believed this. In my article debunking the idea that raising children in the church is good for them (at http://packham.n4m.org/children.htm ), I wrote: Mormons subtly (and probably unintentionally) teach children to lie. Mormons, including children, are interviewed by the bishop as to their "worthiness" for every step of their progress in the church, starting at
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I have pointed this out in my article on Mormon linguistic problems: http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm#ENGRAVED -scroll down to the section "wordiness"
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And where is it now? Did Joe leave the lid just lying on the ground when he was finally allowed to take the plates? Why didn't he ever take any witnesses back to the box, so they could see it for themselves? He said that it contained the breastplate with the U&T, but he doesn't say how he carried all that back when he got them. Did he just wear the breastplate? He said that he of
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Are Mormons Christian? Clear answer: yes and no. See my explanation at http://packham.n4m.org/lds-xian.htm It's the old bugaboo about DEFINING YOUR TERMS
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Here's the strip: https://www.gocomics.com/pickles/2020/04/20
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macaRomney Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >... > Most people who diss on skousan haven't read any > of his books. The guy knew what he was talking > about. I haven't read his anti-commie books, but here is my review of his "Five Thousand Year Leap," which is a pile of blather, misstatements, bad logic, and sloppy scholarship, as well a
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tumwater Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > how did you get tomorrow's comics today? I could, of course, claim that I have prophetic powers... Actually, our local papers doesn't publish a Monday edition, so it prints Monday's comics in the Sunday edition.
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The April 20 strip "Pickles" features David A. Bednar and an "inspirational quote" naming him as the source. Most readers will simply wonder who the hell is David A. Bednar? But the author of the well-known strip, Brian Crane, is Mormon, and proudly proclaims that he is a member on his web page.
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For a summary of Skousen's faults, see: https://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/skousen
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midwestanon Wrote: > The answer to your question is I'm 99 percent sure > yes. Richard Packham routinely links to his > website/blog, as does Steve Benson,... I was told that I was "grandfathered in" when RfM changed the rules to forbid references to other blogs and websites. But that seems to have eased up the last year or so, as I see a lot of such links now.
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cl2 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I did go buy dog food and chicken for the dogs, > quite a bit of it. I give them "moist" dog food > besides the dry dog food. I think they'd refuse > to only eat the dry dog food, which my boyfriend > supplies, so maybe he'd keep his for his giant > dog. My wife ran a commercial
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Here's a challengs: What single passage in Mormon scripture do you think deals the most devastating blow to Mormonism? (Please, no scatter-shot answers like "the whole thing," or "the whole Bom" or "Book of Abraham") A passage of just a few verses, please. Here's my favorite: D&C 121:36-37, explaining how priesthood authority is lost. I think it's a double-
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See this thread: https://www.exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,2288427,2288442#msg-2288442
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