This was one of a series of 13 posts over several months. The entire series is now at http://packham.n4m.org/stump.htm
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onthedownlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry I posted that without stating it directly > with John's website being ordered to take it down > legally? > > And secondly, yes I would like to hear the 3rd > part if it is posted somewhere? I think John took down Part 3 simply as a courtesy to my sister's family, and to prevent any leg
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onthedownlow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Does anyone know if John has done a mormon stories > podcast with Richard Packham? Yes, John interviewed me about ten years ago. It is audio only, in four parts. The third part was pulled because of objections from members of my expanded family. I have a copy of the third part, for anyone interested. Here
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I just got an email from someone asking me about Paul Gregersen's YouTube videos on the Book of Abraham, claiming that he can prove it is true and challenging any Mormon critic to prove him wrong. I had never heard of him, but I watched one of his videos for about five minutes. The guy is off the wall, but a good example of how a crazy Mormon apologist works. Just search YouTube for his name.
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Our local paper (Roseburg, Oregon) has reported the arrest of a 19-year-old man for sex with a juvenile. He claims it was consensual and occurred on several occasions. He says he met the girl at the "Jesus Christ Church of Latter-day Saints."
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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article256626976.html In my hometown! The girls were going around the neighborhood leaving thank you notes, and were on the sheriff's front porch. Mormonism in action!
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Mormon Scriptures Condemn Lying and Liars D&C 50:17-18 17 Verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? 18 And if it be by some other way it is not of God. D&C 93:24-26 24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were
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Perhaps the Brethren are realizing that the cafeterias were contrary to scripture: The temple is to be a "house of fasting." (D&C 109:16) "And that this house may be a house of prayer, a house of fasting, ..." Fasting has never been a part of the temple rituals. Any Mormons who may feel the need to fast before entering the temple are not doing so in obedience to
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Anybody who claims that the BoM is not a historical book is contradicting the Prophet himself, who wrote in the "Wentworth Letter: "In this important and interesting book the history of ancient America is unfolded, from its first settlement by a colony that came from the Tower of Babel, at the confusion of languages to the beginning of the fifth century of the Christian era."
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What is the purpose? The question is a very good one. However, it implies - by the very fact that it is asked - that there is a purpose for our existence, and that we need to find out what that purpose is. But why should we assume that there is a purpose? It seems to be a common assumption, especially among believers in God or the "supernatural", that everything happens or exists f
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The desertrat is correct. I have pointed that out before (that the one "personage" merely identified the other one as "my beloved son.") Joseph just assumed it was God who said that. It could just as well have been Satan. The devil can also appear as an "angel of light" (2 Cor 11:14). JS did not apply the test of a false angel by offering to shake hands. (D&C
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Thanks for the links to the archived versions. It had not occurred to me to try the WayBackMachine.
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It seems the link in the RfM sticky about the "Gospel Essays" for the First Vision accounts doesn't work. I've been trying for half an hour to access that essay, and it just keeps saying "see the article in Gospel TopicsEssays," but the link just returns to the same page. Any suggestions? Here's the link that keeps circling back: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/s
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On the autumnal equinox, an unlettered boy in New York state was visited by a resurrected angel named Nephi (whose name was later changed to Moroni) - an event which affected all of us on this board.
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Elder Berry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If anyone exmormon resigns and is adamant about > all exmormons resigning yet retains Mormon > literature or sells it (even if it is a first > edition BoM) I consider them hypocrites. Thanks, EB! I left the church over 60 years ago and have a huge library of church materials that I have used and added
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elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >     My mom used to demand, "Who the hell is that old lady in my mirror?" Here's a poem I wrote: That man in the mirror's not me! I've no idea who he could be. He's old, gray and fat And I'm not like that! I'm a handsome, young, trim thirty-three! And if we're having a contest, I've got
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Believers in God like to say how powerful he is, and point to the world and the universe as his creation and proof of his power. But really, there are so many things that God can't or won't do. Some people point out his occasional inability or unwillingness to cure illness. But I think more glaring is the fact that he cannot build his own church buildings or finance his own organizations. He c
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This whole topic destroys Mormonism completely. I discussed it in my article "Authority and Apostasy: The Double-edged Sword for Mormonism" http://packham.n4m.org/authority.htm
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Other examples (but not all - there isn't enough time!): "Mormon Lying" http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htm
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Most Mormons who make a big deal about the existence of the plates are unaware that James J. Strang, who claimed to be Joseph Smith's successor, ALSO retrieved ancient plates and translated them as scripture. And he had witnesses who testified to having actually seen Strang retrieve them from where they had be anciently buried (and they specifically said that the ground appeared untouched). Se
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So that's what she says, eh? See, for contrast, the book by BYU professor Charles R. Harrell, "This Is My Doctrine: : The Development of Mormon Theology" My review is at http://packham.n4m.org/doctrine.htm An excerpt: "Charles R. Harrell, who teaches at Brigham Young University (in the School of Technology, not the School of Religion, however), demonstrates in this book
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Years ago I wrote a short piece on that theme: =============== Welcome to the Celestial Kingdom! And Congratulations on having successfully achieved Godhood! Here is your diploma, and your license to perform all those offices and acts associated with your Divine Office. (You may use the duplicating room to make several thousand copies so that each of your wives can ha
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Oregon is also suffering, especially the area around Klamath Falls, where all the farming is dependent on irrigation, 100%. But the water authorities have shut off ALL water to farmers because of a treaty with the local native Americans to protect the habitat of their traditional fisheries. It is almost a war-like situation there, with farmers threatening to use force to open the irrigation valve
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Church Patriarch Joseph Fielding Smith (not the better-known President of the Church) was banished to Hawaii when it was learned that he was gay. I have heard that George Albert Smith, President for a few years after Heber J. Grant died in 1945, was a widower who never remarried and was very kind toward gays.
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For a thorough discussion of the problems with the Jaedite."barges" see the article "Jaredite Ship-building Technology" by Kent Ponder, PhD: http://packham.n4m.org/ships.htm
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cl2notloggedin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So where is Dr. Shades' forum? He runs Mormon Discussions at www.mormondiscussins.com
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Those "penalties" are almost word-for-word the penalties of the Masonic initiation that Joseph Smith heard when he became a Mason.
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I'm still here, just don't post much... Dr Shades has his own forum.
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From the official Mormon website Mormon Newsroom (accessed 11/30/14): "The standard doctrine of the Church is monogamy, as it always has been, as indicated in the Book of Mormon (Jacob chapter 2:27-30)".
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olderelder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Heartless Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > ...on the Island of Cumorah. > > > It's Comoros. > > https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.648594,43.3598082 > ,10.26z IIRC, the first edition of the Book of Mormon spelled it with an o : Comorah
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