Mormons, like other "Restorationist" churches, believe that there was a general apostasy from the church as founded by the Apostles. But that idea is vague in Mormonism - they can't tell you exactly when it began or ended, but they say the original church ultimately lost its authority through sin and changing doctrine (apostasy). But the doctrines of authority and apostasy are a doub
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"Codex"is a technical term usually applied to an ancient method of preserving large amounts of writing. It means multiple leaves of materials (parchment, papyrus, paper or such) with writing, held together at one edge. Today we call it a "book". The description of Mormon's "gold plates" (and perhaps also Laban's "brass plates") fits that definition: they w
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Maybe I'm being superficial or nit-picking, but I watched the short part with Nelson, and what struck me (as it often did with Monson) is the robot-like delivery, merely mouthing words, with phony attempts to portray sincerety with artificial facial expressions or gestures. Like a bad actor who is not in character, just saying the lines.
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schrodingerscat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > https://youtu.be/iiknvBvVRG8 > > Even though neither the Prophet or his counselors > chose to serve. Some people criticize older General Aurhorities who urge young men to go on a mission that they themselves (the GAs) never served a mission. That criticism is not entirely justified. The idea tha
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https://news.yahoo.com/mormon-manson-family-mexican-massacre-000827660.html Mormon polygamy in the news - new book by Denton
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Bowen is a Mormon; claims he has discovered a now-forgotten Mexican priest who claims Mexico was Christianized 2000 years ago, and that's "evidence for the Book of Mormon." His talk at Sons of the Utah Pioneers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvpdzktXaxU
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News reports that Mormon crickets are devastating crops in eastern Oregon and nearby. I wonder how soon the Brethren will issue a press statement requesting reporters to refer to them as "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints crickets"? Otherwise it's a victory for Satan.
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You can read about our visit to Nauvoo and Carthage in 2001 here: http://packham.n4m.org/travelog.htm You might find some interesting insights - we found it quite hilarious sometimes (Mormons don't realize how dumb they sound)
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See my list at http://packham.n4m.org/list2.htm Also, books even a Mormon would be willing to read: http://packham.n4m.org/not-anti.htm
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Disaster looms, apparently: https://news.yahoo.com/great-salt-lake-dries-utah-185303576.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
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See my article on this at http://packham.n4m.org/animals.htm A Mormon's Ode To His Dinner O leg of lamb, how glad I am That you will live again! When next we meet, you won't be meat, So we'll be friends in Heav'n.
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In practicing magic (casting spells, etc. - not stage illusionism) if you don't say the actual words absolutely perfectly, the magic doesn't work. (Which is the explanation magicians give when they don't get results.) Mormons share this belief with most Christians in one area: cursing. They believe that it is sinful to say things like "damn," or "Jesus Christ!" or "Hel
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Ziller wrote: >faust was a satanist No, you obviously are unfamiliar with Goethe's Faust. Faust made a bet with Mephistopheles (who was NOT "Satan"). He had mastered theology. He enjoyed Easter. And in the end, when he dies and we think he is doomed to hell, the angels announce "He is SAVED!" He may have believed in Satan (or the Devil), but so do most Christia
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Which is more important: the words or their meanings ? In the classic drama "Faust" Goethe has Faust discuss this question as he starts to translate John's gospel: "In the beginning was the Word." Faust pauses, and decides that it's not the Word that does anything, so he changes his translation to say "In the beginning was the Meaning." Mormon doctrine, in
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The Mormons are also referred to in Jeremiah: Jeremiah 17:5-6 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6 For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, a salt land and not inhabited. For more Bible prophecies
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bradley Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Doesn't polygamy mess up the math? Yes. My answer was assuming that there was no kind of marriage except between people who were otherwise unrelated. When cousins marry, or when children are "half-" whatever (as in the case of polygamy, each instance will halve the degree of distance. But that should not ma
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Do the math: each generation of cousins shares twice as many common ancestors as the previou generation. And eacn generation "removed" also doubles the number of common ancestors. Quick answer: they are the same.
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Actually, my favorite Mormon scripture that *I* can get behind with no ifs, ands, or buts: 2 Nephi 2:25 "Men are, that they might have joy."
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There's a passage in the Book of Mormon which condemns churches who use their wealth to build fancy buildings but neglect feeding the poor. (1 Nephi 22:23, 4 Nephi 1:26) Another passage condemns churches that try to be popular. (1 Nephi 22:23)
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There was a folk song in the old West, based on the fact that some people there had gone to start a life without a past. It implies that the first line was a standard question of new-comers: "What was your name in the States? Was it Murphy or Johnson or Bates?" (five or six more verses followed, all guessing why the fellow had come west) It is a common practice among Mormons to
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Probably the oldest version is the one in Ex 34, since it's from the "J" document. Then probably the Ex 20 version, from "P". The Deut 5 is, naturally, from the D document, which is likely the scroll discovered during Josiah's reign.
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Christians (and Jews) make a big thing about obeying the Ten Commandments. But WHICH version? Most Christians are unaware that there are three versions in the Bible. Most cite the version in Exodus 20. But there is another version in Deuteronomy 5, which is similar. (The main difference is giving a different reason for the commandment about the Sabbath.) And Christians completely ignore the
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It was partly influenced by the Mithras worshippers, which were very numerous in the early days of Christianity. Mithras was the god of the sun, and Sun-day was his day. (Mithraism also contributed more to Christianity: the birth on Dec.25, baptism in blood, birth witnessed by shepherds, etc.) The Romans also called it "the Lord's day," and it was observed as special. Early Chiristians
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Kentish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the BOM was produced in 1830 but it is purported to be of ancient origin and touted as > having the "fullness of the gospel". Along with many fundamental beliefs of Mormonism those claimed ancients made no mention of it in their preserved narrative. For a listing of some of those, see "The Book of
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I've always thought it odd that Christian apologists try to argue that Paul merely mentioned the practice, but did not endorse it. But then why did he use it as proof that the dead live again? He thought the practice had value as proof of an afterlife.
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One thing maybe the Mormons got right that Christians criticize them for: https://news.yahoo.com/does-bible-loophole-passage-getting-011738344.html (I am not defending Mormonism!)
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Years ago a Christian friend urged me to read the whole Bible. As a Mormon I had only used it as a reference and by occasionally reading a story here and there. But I began, with his challence, to read. And I kept notes. I kept getting the feeling that something I just read was saying the opposite of something I had read before, and with my notes I could confirm it. I also began to read critic
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I have a list of Mormon teachings and practices that are contrary to the BoM: "The Book of Mormon vs. Mormonism" http://packham.n4m.org/bomvslds.htm
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elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I saw the other book, but I did indeed download, > for free, the mormon Hans Mattson kindle version > of his book. Please, details! What is the exact title?
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The free Kindle book on Amazon is NOT authored by the former LDS Seventy who left the church. It is by a former American consul in India named Hans Mattson, and published in 1891.
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