I am insisting on you recognizing archaeologists as valid degrees including more than 3 sad little references that you offer. philosophy is a valid alternative to a theology teacher. You'll take the word of a theology teacher, but not a philosophy major? How about an archaeologist? Is that enough degree for you? No archaeologists other than christian archaeologists validate christian
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You are the best boner. I just don't care What you believe -- you're number one no matter what!
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To add to this, I can't imagine why you insist that there aren't any scholars who would contest Ehrman other than 3 you've mentioned. Bona Dea, please, that is intellectual dishonesty at it's worse! Here is an example of scholars who would denounce Ehrman's interpretation and support of a historical Jesus: http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/89182/ "The archaeological controversy sw
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Atwill was educated in philosophy, Greek, Latin and Bible through the Jesuit program. If a non-christian critiqued Ehrman they can easily see that his point of views are a mess and far from objective. I think he's a terrible example of a historian. I once put my review of his book up on this site. If Ehrman's only lure is his degree in history which gives him credence to write such trash
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Bona Dea, I care very much about you although I think that sentiment might not come through in my responses. I'm sure it doesn't matter to you if I care about you or not, but I needed to convey it none-the-less.
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byuboner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > None of this sheds light on whether or not the man > Jesus existed. It does, however, show the history > of early Christianity and what eventually will be > the core of catholic belief. Boner. Likewise I respect your ideas; even if we don't agree with each other. :) I think it does shed l
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http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1439691,1440591#msg-1440591
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The christian peers eat Ehrman up, in the same manner which you display. :) Non-Christian peers throw poor ole Ehrman to the dogs; his omissions and half-baked theories are laughable. I guess it depends on what peers you read.
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In another thread I shared actual source information about Pliny the Elder, Pliny the Younger and Tacitus writing, but Bona Dea (a highschool history teacher) denounced the actual sourced information as a conspiracy theory! If a person wants to refute something out of hand they just call the information a conspiracy theory and hope that insult is enough to negate the information.
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byuboner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's an interesting view but I doubt that Rome > c.200 CE was in much of a position to use and then > discard...Gnostic teaching are about the hidden > secret gnosis (truths) only available to a select > few. Sounds like some sort of weird modern day > temple stuff. Just saying... Actually,
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The gospel of Thomas dates toward Clement of Alexandria, Bassilides writing info. They were important in setting up the Jesus story. Rome used their work and cut them off.
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You prefer to read Bart Ehrman's conspiratorial nonsense. Now that's some real nonsense right there! There is actual details pointing to an absence of Jesus and information stating where and how the Jesus messiah arrived. Also info stating who put it all together and why. But you like to hold on to your ideas and call everything else a conspiracy. How odd! It appears that the only thing for
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""There is also references by both Pliny and Tacitus which briefly mentions Christ and Christians."" Pliny and Tacitius. Oh my. Where do I begin... Josephus, Pliny1 and Vespasian the emperor were connected as friends. They speak about the Messiah, but Jesus is nowhere in the text. Jesus is inserted in a very random place in his text and these many reasons v indic
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heftmyplates Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's possible the author of the "Q" document that > became the source material for the gospel of Mark > and likely Matthew, used his knowledge of the > history of his youth, say 20 years before, to > write a fictional account of a man named Jesus and > his followers. After being read,
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A few years ago I did a review on Ehrman and put it on this board. A number of RFM posters referred his work as the answer to all my questions. For starters, he is a very sad historian who appeals to people based on his erroneous admittance that he is an agnostic. He isn't an agnostic. All his perspectives come from a point of knowing that there had to be a Jesus. His reasons are scare
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As I read the 3 letters of Dr. William Law the other day it dawned on me why there are so many different interpretations of history, whether by people like RandyJ, Sandra Tanner, Grant Palmer, or Mormon apologists for that matter. http://www.mazeministry.com/mormonism/newsletters_articles/newsweek/newsweek/lawint2.htm Law states that the history was mixed up, which explains a lot. Law
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I listened to the Palmer interview and noticed that a comment at the bottom of the interviewer claims that Lawrefutes that he or his wife were propositioned by JS. I read the William Law letters to check into it. I noticed that letter one does show Law's denouncement of his wife or him being proposed to by JS: "Your informants, however, may, now and then, have drawn a little on the
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The most revealing complex duping teaching is: The missionaries are sent out because they need to preach that mormons have the restored truth through the prophet JS / mouthpiece and spokesperson for God's revelations to the earth today. Through this people have a direct way to understand God and God's truth as in the one true church on the earth today. People need to join up so they
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I remember when I resigned my friend told me she would be too scared to in case it was true. I asked her to research but she's just not into mormonism enough to do that. She never really was into it even when she was into it, if you know what i mean. I think it's far harder for people like this because they don't really confront their own beliefs as they never really had any in the first p
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Why did JS ask God to marry other mens wives in D&C 132? First, God didn't command JS to live polygamy, JS asked about concubines, wives, adulter, etc, and instantly God commanded him to live polygamy. Later on in the seciton God tells JS to ask him anything he wants and he'll ordain it for him and stand behind it. THe next verses shows God ordaining polyandry! We can conclude that
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You guys are awesome in your Truth efforts.
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that's a Truth with a capital T. I decided to get out before I had kids in it.
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Now you 2 can find your own moral compass devoid of so much lies. What was the 1949 1st Pres announcement?
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Good point! The strange and sad thing is that when I was TBM I never once thought about the words "inasmuch as you have inquired." I thought it was a revelation God gave because God wanted polygamy to happen. I didn't even know about polyandry or the teenagers. Isn't it weird how a person can omit what they want. The power of programming can be very powerful.
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http://mormonstories.org/grant-palmer-on-sexual-allegations-against-joseph-smith-william-and-jane-law-and-his-resignation/ This must be the one. I'll listen to it thanks for sharing.
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Great cartoon. I recall hearing Cosby slam other comedians for doing blue comedy claiming that it's terrible and they can use clean g rated comedy and still be a success. bleh! I just watched the interview allegation that he drugged a woman when she was 19yrs old and did who knows what with her while she was drugged. So sad.
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Just as I prophesied. :) The essays will open a door for the beginning of honest conversation. I remember the exact day when the news came that Prophet Kimball got a revelation from God to give the priesthood to the blacks. I remember it so well because I was being taught as an investigator by the sisters. One sister wondered if that meant women would get the priesthood too and e
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I just realized JS was not sealed to Emma until 1843. What the what? For the first time since leaving I’ve gone over this stuff for myself. I knew it was a fraud when I first landed on this site and didn’t bother researching for myself. I’m kind of using this thread as my venting avenue. D&C 132 Vs 46 and 49 both mention the word seal. If this ‘revelation’ w
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Not to nit-pick on the details, lol, but D&C 132 says that Joseph came to God first asking about adultery, concubines, wives etc and God said he could do it and whoever didn't obey would be destroyed; not the other way around. The angels and the drawn swords came later. Isn't that the right sequence?
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blueorchid Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- But anyway you agreed to all this > before you came to Earth so its all your fault--or > no--depending on whether you believe the prophet > who said that was speaking as a man or a prophet. > Yeah, likley not valiant enough in the war in heaven and didn't get placed into a Marriott trust fund
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