Phantom Shadow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My last time through the BoM I discovered that the > book referred to the Israelites as the Jews, (and > usually in a contemptuous tone of voice) while in > the books of the Bible supposedly written around > the same time the people referred to themselves as > Israel, or Israelites. All at onc
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chai tea. I love it. I usually prefer the decaf blend cause it's not as tart, but when made right it's delicious either caf or decaf.
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and how do we know that Moroni would have known about the name of the Jews from the brass plates? Was it written on the brass plates? Does Moroni's condensation abridgement of the brass plates refer to them as Jews anywhere else in the BoM? That's a stretch of an assumption isn't it?
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Ah, but he's supposed to be abridging the record of Ether not the brass plates that Lehi brought with him. The record of Ether was an account of the Jaredites, which account was written without the knowledge of Lehi and from a pre-Jewish reference point.
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Was it Moroni abridging Ethers work? How exact was Moroni's abridgement details? it's funny when I think about it. If they aren't exact then what's the point of having a record of truth - the most correct book on the earth? allegedly Ether spent a lot of trouble and time chisseling on plates. (or however he engraved in the plates, is that even recorded?) Somehow these plates
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I'm expanding on research I did in 2011 about the Olmecs, Pre-Olmec civilization and Smith's book of mormon stories. In the process I just discovered yet another Joseph Smith book of mormon error: Ether 1: 3 “And as I suppose that the first part of this record, which speaks concerning the creation of the world, and also of Adam, and an account from that time even to the great tower, a
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thank you for sharing this. Your research helps fill in the blanks that LD$ inc leaves out or changes.
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I didn't realize Orson F. Whitney got the story mixed up. The weird thing is that when I first read about the drawn sword on this board back in 2005 my mind confused it with a flaming sword too. I also wanted to apologize if my original response came off harsh cause when I re-read it I sounded kinda harsh. That wasnt' my intention. Like another poster wrote, it may be that the mind is con
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Catnip, it was from the episode, The Garrison Commander".
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Hi catnip. I can't remember what episode now. Sorry. Also, I want to apologize cause I think one of my responses to you came off harshly and that wasn't my intention. edited: Oops, I think that was a response to GrubbyGert about the flaming sword vs drawn sword debate. In which case I can't find that thread and really apologize to her. I think my response came off harsh and not kind.
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The truth carries a weight that no lie can counterfeit. - Black Jack Randall It occurred to me that the LD$ prophets and current missionaries are trying to counterfeit truth. They have done this from mormons inception. Eventually the lies have caught up to them and their sad attempt at defending the lies only serves to expose it deeper. It was only a matter of time.
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Programming trumps a conscience.
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It wasn't a flaming sword. It was a drawn sword. You could dress as an angel with a flaming sword but then you'd be guilty of inaccurate details. What is up with this flaming sword inaccuracy? sheesh! We expect the lds to get their data right; it's only fair that exmormons do the same thing. "When that principle was revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith ... he did not falter, al
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generationofvipers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He said Thompson professed great friendship for him but he gave way to temptation & he had to die." What does that mean? That sounds like proof of SMith and his group killing when it served his purpose.
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William Law Wrote: > Mormons don't think people knew this was immoral > behavior in the 19th century. Of course they did, > that's why JS caught a bullet in the face. I've said this before on this forum. My great grandma lived to be a hundred. She was born somewhere around 1880ish.Her daughter, my grandma, is still alive and was 105 last July. They both told me that
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MJ Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So, since it is not belief that you are interested > in, it does not have to be true, it can be a 100% > lie. As long as there is ritual, comfort and > community, the lies do not matter? > > That is not for me. I, for one, do not have to > take part in a lie for ritual. I also do not what > to b
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They've taken lying and delusion to an all new art form. If you want to be the best liar in the name of the Lord you're in the best belief system to reach that goal. The 2 elders who came to my door Saturday night valued lying above all and did it straight faced with great enthusiasm in the name of Jesus one and only truth restored.
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""You can't make mistakes and refuse to apologize while still claiming to have the moral high ground. You cant pretend you are called of God when you also claim that the people who called you were wrong about a lot of things." This was my complaint to the missionaries at my door last Saturday night. More specifically I said that you can't keep saying that people are imperfec
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They have Jana, Joy and Jinger as sister-moms, plus Grandma duggar who can help out when she's not taking care of the mountain of daily laundry.
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Duggars were specifically attached to the Bill Gothard sect. Not all Quiverfulls are Gothard. Since the Gothard sex scandal the Duggar webpage has deleted some of their links that would visibly attach them to him. Over 30 women, co-workers mostly I think, claimed they were sexually harrassed and/or abused. One woman said she had been abused by him at age 16. I'm not sure what the verdict
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Thanks for your comedic application. It was A+ as usual. Something dawned on me while reading. A lot of LD$ people claim that JS wasn't educated as a support that the BoM couldn't have been written by him. “' . . . Webb, Smith's grammar teacher . . . reported that" Smith had a grammar teacher?
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Question for you... Based on the fact that they've come forward with essays that have major omissions, could that in itself be grounds for a lawsuit concerning willful deception and omission? My apology if somebody already explained it.
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hypnosis programming can be valid. Most peoples brains are easily programmable. I'd rather my partner pay money for hypnosis than to LD$ inc prophet. I don't think you have a valid comparison. It's apples and oranges.
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Red Flag Alert: Whenever a person, especially a self described prophet of Jesus, says that they will never lead you astray he is actually admitting that he has and will lead anyone astray. It's a psychological over compensation.
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+1
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I think that Toms case pushed them but not because of possible court cases, for reasons Tom has already explained. The essays don't get them off past court cases, rather it incriminates them all the more. I think it's there because Tom's case provided a lot of exposure and they're trying to counter that exposure. That was my take-away from the Saturday night conversation with the missionari
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I forgot to write that when I cornered them on the lds.org vs anti stuff, Elder Spencer said that a lot of this info can be found in Mormon literature. I agreed with him that the early Mormon people wrote journals, but by that time I was SO tired I didn't have any steam left to pursue that area. I wished I would have asked them why the their obscure literature and scriptures don't mat
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I was so upset I took the advice of one of the posters on this thread and sent my event to the Calgary Canada mission site. Just checked my inbox and no response. I doubt I'll get one. I don’t want to deny the upset thoughts and feelings I have yet I don’t like staying in this feeling for too long either. When I first left Mormonism I researched all kinds of beliefs. I looked i
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Yesterday the magnitude of the underhanded purpose of the unsigned essays from the SLC profit hit me hard. I was so upset yesterday as the whole thing really sunk in. When I thought the lies and deception in the name of Jesus couldn’t get any worse I realize that it got worse. WAAAAY worse! LD$ inc is using the short and untruthful essays to inform missionaries so they will be bette
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miner_8 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Wow you have a good memory. And you are not half > bad on quick thinking skills. Did you have this > all recorded or did you just pull it up out of > memory? > I was surprised at how quick I was. This written blurb is the paraphrased version of the conversation. I didn't have it rec
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