SusieQ#1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We know by reading the intro to D&C 132 that he > came up with this as early as 1831 (note church > was organized in 1830). > He also knew that Emma was not going to accept it. > So, he cleverly added a threat from the Lord to > convince her. Yes, somewhere between 1831 to 1835, which
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according to the travel channel show, National Park mysteries and secrets, featuring Glacier National Park, Hitler made a science trade for his life and lived out the rest of his days at that park. My mouth dropped open when I watched it. That's a new one I'd not heard. I live minutes from there.
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well, their still not admitting all the details. They're still omitting huge chunks of information; which is even more incriminating than if they'd said nothing.
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They did a blurb on Oak Island, something about finding a menorah in a cave. I decided to research a bit because you know those crazy tv stations put out the weirdest stuff. http://thegreatlosttreasure.info/Page17.html scroll half way down: snip >>In 1823 Joseph Smith Jnr claimed to have found golden plates in a stone box buried on a hill named Cumorah after the box’s location
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That entire section 132 is an example of massive fear techniques. 9 Will I accept of an offering, saith the Lord, that is not made in my name? 10 Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not appointed? 11 And will I appoint unto you, saith the Lord, except it be by law, even as I and my Father ordained unto you, before the world was? Is Smith essentially a
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Yes, I say petition for statues!
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That's interesting. In this way Bushman doesn't seem to realize that this 'maturity' is still void of real Truth. If it's considered mature to come forward and tell half-truths, semi-deceptions and omit complete chunks of actual truths then they're still in the same mess they were over a hundred years ago. These guys are so completely ensconsed in lies and deception that they think i
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I read the ny times article. Bushman said, "The essays held nothing back, said Richard L. Bushman, emeritus professor of history at Columbia University and author of the book “Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling.” Dr. Bushman said of church leaders: “Somewhere along the line they decided they were just going to tell the whole story, not to be defensive, not to try to hide anything.
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I recently discussed this with the missionaries at my door. I ranted about it here at 2 in the morning, in a garbled wee-hours-of-the morning kind of way. I finally gave up editing the conversation. We talked about imperfect leaders / prophets (specifically Hinckley and current leaders for continuing the tradition of half-lies and full lies) and why they claim a prophet who reveals God's tr
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The essays seem NOM to me. Are the SLC suits using the essays to divert questioning members into NOM's? Will NOM's be the future for mormonism?
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WhatNot Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't think he's a believer AT ALL. HIs GC > talks were the most meaningless to me as a > believer. I think he's a poser going along for > the ride. I have other reasons for saying this > based upon an encounter with him. I'd like to hear about that. Perhaps in a separate thread? thanks.
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I heard that it would be two missionaries. The woman who told me was nutty with hope that her son might be one of them when he grew up.
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I saw that one. I just about fell off my chair. Like you I thought the shows story made more sense the lds version, but the problem is that they conflict with each other.
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You had me at 3. :)
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ichthammol? heck, I was ready to read about the newly discovered ancient American location of Moriancumrs submarine or something equally important. I remain....disappointed. Ichthamol.... ancient salve passed down from Laban, said to be so powerful as to attain properites of mending one's head to one's shoulders; should you find yourself in that type of precarious situation.
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"...even if it did come about from Joseph flying by the seat of his pants." I didn't think it was his seat that made him soar to the highest heights. Certainly he always had problems with location accuracy, but his pants was one location that he was always very sure of.
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Sorenson was the first weasel I encountered during my open research. I feel terrible calling people weasels, but that's what they are. It's one of the gentler descriptive words, all things considered. He's kind of a smarmy weasel.
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After my recent conversation with the missionairies (referring to my midnight rant/post on the situation) I'm convinced the missionaries are trained to offer the essays as plan B. It is an intentional plan set up by the SLC suits to assist the missionaries in the conversion indoctrination process. plan = programming = deception They know they are deceiving people by offering misinform
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anonow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Too bad we can't ask Moroni in person about it. Well, you can ask Moroni. He appeared to JSmith afterall. Oh no, that was Nephi. on second thought, I think Nephi was the first draft after which he settled on moroni. It was Moroni who eventually directed Joseph Smith to the location of the platesin the 1820s.
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:) bumping for Anonow's assistance and explanation or lds insights on this particular issue.
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I really do appreciate you making the comparison between Paul of the new testament and Moroni of the Book of Mormon. The thing about being a mormon apologist is that anything you say will actually expose the myth. Your best attempts to defend it end up exposing and incriminating it deeper.
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The now closed thread http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1420233,1422832,quote=1#REPLY Anonow writes: >No reason why a prophet can't just give an opinion on some things. Moroni was actually a very minor prophet in the book of mormon. He was the son of Mormon who was the main compiler of the book. Moroni only said a few things at the end because his father told him to: >"B
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I don't know the information to your question, but I would love to know what they think about this: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135M-Awarded-to-Bible-Teacher-Gonzalo-Campos-Alleged-Abuse-Victim-Jose-Lopez-281031832.html
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hahaha I love it. You can buy Melmac plates from the planet Melmac with pocket lint. (pocket lint was Alf's currency.)
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anonow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > In the verse Moroni said; > “And as I suppose that the first part of this > record, which speaks concerning the creation of > the world, and also of Adam, and an account from > that time even to the great tower, and whatsoever > things transpired among the children of men until > that
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REcently the missionaries offered me plan B - the essays. I asked them why they're anonymous and who wrote them? They wouldn't tell me why they were anonymous but they did say that the prophet would have given his approval. So there you have it; the missionaries have given their permission to hang those trainwrecks on the prophet and apostles.
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Yes, I thought about the modern new testament reference to Jews as well when I read the word Jews in the BoM. It hit me as a new testament reference which would have been more dominant during Smith's era. Christians were branching off and focusing on the new testament perhaps more than the o.t. As Anonow (in his above listed post) explains that Moroni was a prophet and received reve
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Good list. Suddently I recall George Carlins revision of the 10 commandments. He condensed them down to a few. Have you seen it? If you'll allow me to have fun with this list: I think we could combine 1 and 2 by saying, The church lies about its history and about its present situation. You are generous by using the word "problematic" and "untrue". The w
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I think you're right. They aren't told unless they have questions. It's a back-up plan B situation. If the testimony ain't broke they won't try to fix it with the essays. The essays are reserved for those who question. That's why their hidden in an obscure location on lds.org.
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anonow Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In that specific scripture .... he was just expressing an > opinion based on his own history. What history? Where is this history recorded? How do you know that? What did you read to gather that opinion? Is it an assumption or do you have more specific details? Thanks. > If it was not writt
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