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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Perhaps one of the most overlooked industries in the US is the liquor, wine, and beer business. No one questions their integrity to the best ingredients, quality, and taste. And yet, their products are as untested as health supplements at your local "health" store. Not every wine, beer, or spirit has your health in mind. In fact, do a little research online and discover that the las
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
In Logan, my neighbor recently got arrested and charged with 9 felony counts for theft and burglary. He's middle-class white male, not hispanic. I work retail and a lot of my customers have DV charges against them. Ninety percent of them are working class white folks. The ones with MIP, open container, DUI, Public intox, and assaults come from the same group. Thirty years ago in Logan, you still
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Winter of 1978-79 in Chicagoland area was a bad one. Lots of snow on people's roofs. My comp and I would take shovels with us and offer to clean off roofs just to make a cold contact. People wanted to pay us and we finally relented when a lady gave us a $50 bill. We ate good that week. Never had to use a ladder to get off the roof. We'd just jump off the roof into the snow below. Just one sto
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
For myself, this was interesting to read about on several levels. First, Johnson seems to have been living a "double life", something that is not new to Utah or to Mormons, and is part of human nature across the board. Secondly, are his subjects willing participants? Women, girls who want to show their beauty or are they doing it for the money? Or were they coerced? Forced? Not necessar
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
I came across this wonderful bit of information this past week and wanted to pass it along. Sorry if it's been posted here before.I'm always amazed at how little we actually know of the past. And yet, it seems to just be a repetition of our own natures. Cake http://fox13now.com/2017/01/01/uniquely-utah-charles-ellis-johnson-and-the-erotic-mormon-image/
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
I've always considered missionaries "off limits". Having been one many years ago I concede that I didn't know what the hell I was doing peddling religion. I put on a suit, kept clean-shaven, and sold sunshine in a book for two years. Missionaries are young kids who don't know what they don't know. That said, they are annoying on several levels. The more annoying idea is that TSCC ke
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Recently, here in northern Utah, a co-worker had to take a day off during the last several weeks to sit in one of her daughters classes. She had complained to both the teacher and administration about a girl who was bullying her daughter in a class they shared. She enrolled her in a self-defense course taught after school and a weight-training plan with her dad. Folks, it's always been this w
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
I used to carpool to work with 3 other people in northern Utah. I was attending Utah State University, 3 kids, a loving wife, and worked full-time, plus overtime, and held down two church callings. When it all came crashing down for me, I remember thinking, "This is what my parents meant by a mental breakdown". I wore dark Wayfarer's, pretended to read textbooks on the drive to work
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Elyse Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are you seriously telling us no one in the > audience had a beach ball? OMG, security would have lost it on whoever snuck one in. When Eyring got up and told every one that the graduation commmencement was a solemn meeting, it put the audience on notice that this was a "no-fun zone". BTW, just for so
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
My son and his wife graduated from BYU-I on Friday night. Mrs. Cake and I drove the horrible 200 miles or so to Rexburg to be there to support both of them. We were in our seats by 5pm and it was then I realized that I wasn't at a commencement ceremony. It was church time. We were told by Henry Eyring that there would be no whistling, clapping, or loud laughter tolerated. We endured the first
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
I sometimes have to work until the late evening and I miss listening to KUER's Steve Williams playing jazz every week night. I know that KUER changed their format for the evening crowd but, now I have to stream Spotify, Pandora, or NextFM. The beauty of having Willams' show was that it was local and I kept up with upcoming gigs coming into the SLC area. Cake One of my favorite finds from M
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Illinois Chicago 1978-80
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering." - Yoda You just get tired of not letting go. People are going to be people in spite of their influences throughout time, decades, centuries and eras. We are suffering from our own dilemmas and inabilities as humans. The cult of Mormonism affords a short-lived, timely relief from the cares of the eternities. The problem is masked behind t
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Thank you for your vent. It's refreshing to hear the truth from time to time. Cake
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
The worst fortune I have ever read after a meal was, "That wasn't chicken". Cake
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
The obligatory drive through Logan Canyon to Beer Lake. I often think the name should be (Azure) Blue Lake but, I'd be wrong twice. I've never seen a bear anywhere near that lake. Then, the annual pilgrimage to LaBeau's for a raspberry shake. Last time we were there, a certain cretin pulled up in a Centurion Ford Truck pulling a cigarette boat. The driver of the Ford took up 6 parking stalls and
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6 years ago
cakeordeath
Chicagoland area, late 70's. Loved the city, food, cultural experience, and people. Met a lot of members who had drank the Kool-Aid as young children and now were local leaders who were just keeping up with the old school drumbeat. Converts were as lukewarm as a half-can of beer in the sun. Had a lot of fun not telling the truth to AP's and MP. Fudged stats, played racquetball, golf, music, a
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
I love a good gin and tonic. Even better, a Tom Collins on a hot summer night listening to jazz at Red Butte Gardens. This will make the experience ten times better for this cheeky monkey. And, I sell the stuff for a living. So, now I know the back story to share with my Mormon drinkers. Cake "I had never heard of Eddie Izzard before, but judging by this delightful memoir, he has
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
One of the last conversations I had with a Mormon bishop during a tithing settlement required me to call him to repentance. Upon showing him the D&C quotes on tithing and how historically, in context, tithing was collected and required by members, I demanded that he either give up his position as bishop (aaronic priesthood) for misrepresenting the Lord's requirement OR sign a swearing which d
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
Went snowboarding for the second day in a row. My legs are like noodles this afternoon. Both days of riding were comped and I didn't pay for any food, beer, or passes. Only once in a great while do the planets align and I get to do this. Sore, sunburnt, and wanting more. Brats on the grill tonight. I love Sundays and have for the last 17 years. Cake
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
Mrs. Cake and I were newly married and attending a ward just down from Utah State University years ago. I was sitting in Elders Quorum meeting listening to EQP teach the lesson on missionary work. He gave an example of how rewarding his mission had been and finished up by saying, "my companion and I were having a lot of sex and the mission president let us know God had approved of our work&q
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
After serving the masses theirs, I (Cake) am having a couple of shots of Jameson with a cold lager and a steak sandwich. Recently, Missus Cake and myself were in Chicago recently, and had some Chicago Red Hots and a couple of cold ones so, on Sunday I'm going to duplicate the experience right here in Cache Valley. Complete with celery salt, Vienna brand dogs and neon relish. Cake Don't pos
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
I knew Ogden Kraut for a short number of years. I read many of his books, including his book on The Dream Mine (aka The Relief Mine). I have several TBM friends who still hold stock in the mine. Reading Kraut's books were part of the catalyst for helping me to see my way out of Mormonism. Now, having had the time to look back over the years and understand what John Koyle's story entailed, I feel
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
I am so sickened by this act of what appears to be one suicidal acolyte. Makes me think of the two years I spent in prison (re:mission) in the Chicagoland area. One time I saw Neo-Nazi marches in Marquette Park and wondered if they were right and I was wrong. Fuckers. This was when the Blues Brothers was being filmed in outlying areas of Chicago. Racial tensions were high and black bands and swat
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
Just got back from the fireworks. Yeah, tonight. I know the fourth of July isn't until Monday but here in Cash Valley they save all they can by not buying fireworks for the 4th. So, Northern Utah-Americans don't celebrate Independence Day like everyone else does. Which is to say we don't care which day we celebrate on as long as we don't have to pay full price. It's like having your birthday on a
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
So, I'm having a chat with a friend who is TBM when the subject gets around to the WOW. As we discussed the WOW he was shocked to read that barley was for 'man'. I suggested that historically, that probably meant beer and not just cereal or bread. He said he remembered reading a story about JS being quoted as saying, "My whiskey, my whiskey! Where would I be without my whiskey?". Has an
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
A nice pinot grigio, cheap summer bottle of wine; Dubliner cheese and thinly-sliced proscuitto. Next up: Santa Carolina Carmenere. Easy to drink, slight acidic after-taste. Bratwurst, grilled onion medallions, mustard/raspberry reduction, and griddled kaiser rolls. Hoegaarden's. Nightcap: Mezcal shots with lime and salted rims. Cake
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
"It tastes like baby." (Clapping of hands and sounds of choking guffaws) Loud laughter and mocking the Lord's anointed encouraged. Cake Fugging A!
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
Addendum: My former LDS bishop made his living being an educator. He was an administrator who pulled down large sums of money for over-seeing other educators. This is what helped make him rich or wealthy. In the mean time, teachers are asked to do impossible tasks while the OverLords are well-paid and the classrooms struggle to meet criterium. To say he made money off of education is unqualified.
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7 years ago
cakeordeath
I'm a late entry this evening. Just got in from cooking a meal for 40 or so family and friends who showed up for my grand-son's graduation party. I did the dutch oven potatoes with 4-tons of melty cheesy topping on them. 10 pounds of potatoes, 2 pounds bacon, 4 onions, and seasonings, cooked to perfection. The function was in sight of my former ward building where I used to spew the accepted c
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