pathfinder Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > So there is no DI in the church mall? their own > store not in their own mall. This reminds me of a time, a few years ago, when plans were being made for the LDS temple in Draper (Utah). The locals were all for that. It increases their property values enormously, at least here in Utah. But when the church aske
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imaworkinonit Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I feel no sympathy for his racists ideas, but he's > a guy who was born in another era, never got > socialized to leave racism behind (or at least not > to ever talk about it if he can't get over it), > and doesn't realize when to shut up already. Yes, the social environment plays a huge ro
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Way back in the late 60's, I was at the home of the head of the U of Utah Institute of Religion (family friends). He told us of his recent purchase of a firearm to protect his possessions from "blackbirds" (his word, not mine)
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All in favor of convening a Court of Love for Cliven Bundy, please indicate by the raise of the right hand!!!
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shakinthedust Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is the Mormonism of the > early 1970s that I remember. The sad fact is that it is also the Mormonism of the 2010's. Certainly not for every Mormon, but for enough of them that Bundy can get away with it. And what do we hear from Salt Lake publicly condemning such rhetoric, thereby guiding the Saints
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Aloha Oe Shenendoah I'll Be Seeing You in All the Old Familiar Places The First Hello (Roger Whittaker) BTW, I'm so glad you are making progress. Looking back on my life, maybe I would have benefited from a place like that.
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mew Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But yet, GBH said women need to get an education > and that besides a house that was the only > acceptable debt. Lol..the church isn't there for > you much even as a married couple with kids. It's > a joke. But then, GBH said a lot of things, didn't he!
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scmd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why were they called "Gold and Green Balls." Were > they for adults, teens, or both? Gold and green were the "official" colors for the Mutual Improvement Association, the entity that later became the Young Men/Young Women. Or maybe it was the M-men/Golden Gleaners, which became the Single Adul
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On a historical note: I lived in St. Louis in the mid-sixties. The public buses at the time had advertisement panels at the tops of the interior walls. Mainly these were for local tire stores, bake shops and the like. But one "advertisement" stands out in my memory. It was an authoritative declaration of the optimum measurements for the female body. And they had all the details you migh
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Almost all cultures have rites of passage. For Jews it is the Bar Mitzvah; for the Masai it is (or was until recently) killing a lion. And so on. For Mormons, Going on a Mission is the classic rite of passage. This lasts two whole years, and is punctuated on either end by opening the call and the homecoming. For rites of passage to have any validity, they must be witnessed by the entire community
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One more example of how the cult owns you. Or tries, anyway.
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IMO, the sex thing is of secondary importance. The real reason, IMO, has to do with Mormon theology, which says that getting married will automatically bring you unlimited spiritual rewards. All you need is a man who served a mission and a woman who only wants to have lots of kids. And the typical Mormon couple have been trained to see everything that happens after marriage as spiritual manifesta
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Riverman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Someone somewhere claims to have seen Santa. He > must be real. Go ahead - prove he isn't. > > I also hear there are some that believe in a > flying spaghetti monster. Someone probably claims > to have seen him too. > Go ahead - prove he isnt real. Plutarch describes the exact location wher
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Another big secret in Mormonism is that you will never discover what Mormonism really teaches. There is no set standard for doctrine. It is just folk beliefs piled on top of one another, with the result that Mormonism can change in the blink of an eye into something that would have been heresy a moment before. The only constant is that current Mormonism is to be seen as absolutely 100% correct. A
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battlebruise Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you want to know about the Freemasons and the > Knights Templar, I suggest you read the book "Born > in Blood" by John J. Robinson. It is one of the > the most interesting books I have ever read. > Modern day mormonism has nothing to do with this > stuff except that Joseph Smith cop
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I've heard/read rumors about anti-Cosmos firesides sponsored by LDS congregations. Any personal experience?
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I believe my mission president secretly refered to his wife as "The Boss"...
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Alpine Slide by Park City Indoor skydiving/surfing in Ogden (Salomon Center) Snorkel with sharks at Seabase by Grantsville A more boring option would be the new Living Planet Aquarium in the south valley. Good lick.
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"Satan" is anything that challenges "Us".
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God's true church does not "launch initiatives". God's true church helps individuals. Corporations launch initiatives, which are programs developed by the underlings to try to get upper management to notice them. God's true church would listen to the downtrodden. If there were a real God involved, he/she would intervene to correct injustices so that there would not be any downtrodden.
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tensolator Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Nothing new. Remember no new revelation until we > all are perfected in our current existence. So, > until we all get our crap together, nothing, nada! In other words, it's our fault...
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Greyfort Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Have you ever read that Wikipedia article where > they list the number of times that people thought > the world was coming to an end? It definitely > puts things into perspective. > > Oh, I found it: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predict > ed_for_apocalyptic_events
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Shummy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Orwell would be proud of that no doubt. > > I first heard that bizzare dictum at the Y. I > never realized that it was from 1945. > > 39 years before 1984. Ahead of their time, those > pontificators of pulpitspeak. Actually, it was close to the time (1948) that Orwell wrote the book.
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dorothy* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 10 hours to say obey and pay I haven't listened to any of it, so I turn to you for information. It seems you left out the "pray" meme. Is that being de-emphasized too now? Thanks.
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You can't prove that pigs don't fly, either. Let's make a small wager...
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Then let's also grant equal air time to Navajos, Hindus, Hopis, Saxons, Celts (both irish and Welsh, at least), Tlingits, Maoris, Tongans, Samoans, Hmong, Muslims, Ainu, Austalians, Crees, Lakotas, and on and on. I think it only fair to give equal time to all creation accounts. Then we could compare and contrast... BTW, Mormons are especially blessed by having not just two (the usual Genesis
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Maybe the call itself was a personal thing, but there was always a very public Farewell sacrament meeting. A mission is a rite of passage for Mormon boys (in fact the ultimate), and like all societies these rites are public. They have to be. That's the only way they can work for the larger society. Otherwise the society will never know/acknowledge them. Farewells have been outlawed (well, they
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I posted this on postmormon.org and wanted to post it here too. For a while something has been bugging me about the OW movement and today I finally realized what it was. To summarize: the problem is in the definition of Priesthood. In most religious traditions the Priesthood is the authority to officiate in the rites of the church and that is all. That is what the media hear when they come to inv
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Then there's that LDS hymn about how poeple "From Greenland's icy mountains to Afric's golden strand" (or something like that) are begging for LDS missionaries to come and deliver them from error. That used to be the first line in the song. When they put out the "new" hymnal in 198x they switched it with the second verse.
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God is the projection on the cosmic screen of the speaker's world-view. That is the beginning and end of it. To quote Weston LaBarre, "every statement about God is autobiographical". So of course God must be perfect. The converse is that everything that is not the speaker's world view is therefore Satan. I hope this helps.
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