Thank you.
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News flash: they are already banned in many public schools. Private schools (in Utah they are all called "academies") started out that way. We in America are in for twenty years of hell. That's how long it will take for some people to wake up.
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Amazing how sports get all the privileges in the Mormon church. Every young person has the potential for remarkable achievements- and yet the institution does everything it can to stifle future scientists, linguists, historians. Perhaps they are squelching any career track that may lead to challenges to the leaders' claims to infallibility. But sports figures are promoted as unquestionable heroes
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...such as Dallin Oaks.
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Oh, yes. But other religions don't offer a path to peership with Godhood. As I said: women will never be fully equal until Jesus tells the church president that women can become gods too. That is what they are up against.
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They will never be equal because of Mormon theology. The Catholic priesthood is the authority to perform rituals. Mormon Priesthood is the right to be a God. Until they are willing to allow that maybe, just maybe, females could become all-powerful deities, women simply cannot be considered as equals with males in Mormonism.
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They expect as much money as they can drain out of you. And the real answer is: if you ask, they will say yes. If you don't tell them, and they find out, they will out you in public. They expect tithing on Social Security (which has already been tithed). They expect tithing on life insurance payouts (which have already been tithed). They expect tithing from elderly widows on IRA distributions
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I like Sloop John B. IN all the encomia, please always remember that the Beach Boys were not paragons of virtue. They cheated a guy out of royalties. That guy's name was Charles Manson (yes, that Charles Manson). And they stole the melody for Surfin' USA from Chuck Berry, who sued them. I don't know the outcome of that- Google it if you're interested. So while one can praise Brian's musical t
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“He was a good man, but he fell,” No, he wasn't a good man.
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Okay, there are lots of reasons. But one that is usually overlooked has to do with their charter document. They all base their theology and world view on that weird book known as The Bible. That thing is so deeply entrenched in our cultural DNA that most people cannot conceive of life without it. NB: it can happen. But the essence of the Bible is that there is an entity who regularly intruded int
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Following on from valkyriequeen: he will choose ChatGPT. And the members will thoroughly applaud his choice as the only divinely acceptable alternative.
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They are missing the big story (unless I missed something). The big story is the horrors inflicted on women (and girls) in the name of garment readiness. Terrible, terrible shaming and humiliation and ostracism from "leaders" AT ALL LEVELS for those females who failed to conform. And then there is the double standard depending on your social status. The mainstream press continues to
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Excuse me, but I would rather not wear a relative's used clothing. You never know where it's been!
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Note: they water down the public rhetoric. But they never tell that to the members. So nothing really changes- and that's exactly what the system wants.
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This board has been receiving several posts lately that seem to be unrelated to its original purpose, which is to offer help and comfort to people who have been harmed by Mormonism. I hereby present a small offering to bring it back to basics. With that said, here is my two cents. The whole point of Mormonism is to instill in everybody the conviction that they just are not good enough. Ever. I
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And jokers to the right...
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I have always thought that Brave New World more aptly describes our situation, with religion substituting for the soma. This is because large numbers of people actually like the way things are. In 1984 force was the instrument of control but in Brave New World it was the calming soma that assuaged the workers. And yes, Marx was right- socially and physiologically. Religion and opiates (and lots o
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Wait, wait, wait- I thought they believed in small government and states' rights??????? Did I miss something???
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It will make most people hate Mormons even more.
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So they will make it a case of religious liberty.
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Your dad is wrong.
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Yeah- but already I'm sure Kirton McConkie is preparing briefs challenging the ruling. I will take bets. Loser buys dinner.
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And as soon as Pace was gone, McConkie did a complete 180 and started writing books and hymns about how magnificent Jesus was.
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I really hate all these claims about the superior mental health imparted by participation in religious institutions. Correlation is not causation. It's called survivor's bias: whoever disagrees is thrown out. Thank you.
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really believe? As in: what can you really say in Sunday School that will not get you hauled in to the bishop's office? Examples: the BOM being actual history Examples of any current GA being wrong about something Curse of Cain and hundreds more. The Church (TM) has stopped talking about all of these- and yet if anyone tries to talk about them, they will swiftly be escorted out of the roo
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Note: there is no law (as far as I know) that says we have to accept evangelical Protestantism as the only authorized version of everything that is good and right and socially requisite in religion or anything else. I for one never voted for them. Nobody is ever morally obligated to reassure evangelicals nor anybody else that Mormonism is the same as their theology. I really do not understand why
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I take your point. However: I refer you to the "original" Grimm's fairy tales. Horrible scenarios. But they were totally fictitious, and they were absolutely told to amuse children- at least as I understand it. So maybe the flood thing was not meant to amuse, but rather to warn. Maybe it was a drama piece. Drama is usually very entertaining without amusing. But either way, I still s
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IMO: we make a fundamental mistake when we try to link these stories to actual events. They could just as easily have started out as just entertaining stories, and trying to find the "original" is a fool's errand. Remember that per Plutarch, the Theseus/Minotaur thing probably started out by some guy who had to spend a weekend in a Cretan hoosegow. To repeat: just because something is i
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We're lonely because religions keep kicking us out.
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Around 1963, there were (IIRC) fifteen temples. One of my fellow Trail Builder Boys repeated his parents' declaration that when the sixteenth temple was built, it would be the one in Missouri and so we were so, so close...
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