My parents sent me "Defender of the Faith" by Truman Madsen, about B. H. Roberts. This was a long time ago, way before the internet. But even at that time I recongnized the major omissions, like the fact that Roberts was not a defender of the faith at all. I threw the book in the garbage.
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Celestial marriage meant polygamous marriage. That's why the term was invented. It was reserved for the few, the chosen, who were willing to participate. It was instituted to justify the practice, because then it meant that God himself approved. The whole idea of the temple was to promote polygamy. The endowment was to form a secret club of polygamists. The garments identified the members of this
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Remember that in the early years of what would later become the LDS church, it used crosses as much as anybody else. Somewhere along the way soembody go the bright idea that crosses were too Catholic or something like that. Several people have written about the change. See if you can find their reports somewhere. Thanks.
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aft Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I need an organ transplant and am trying to save > all I can towards that goal. > > A few years ago the State Patriarch's DIL needed > the same type of transplant and letters went out > to the entire Stake imploring people to get tested > and donate money. > > I on the other hand, "Obv
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IMO, the sad thing is that it didn't used to be this way. In my youth the church was a vibrant, locally-directed organization that wanted to engage with the non-LDS world. Over the years things changed dramatically. One influence was Correlation, which quickly morphed from a well-meant attempt to standardize doctrine (and tone down the more outlandish fringes) into an Inquisition-like control
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Another inevitable result will be outright fights between stir-crazy young men. When I was on my mission I never wanted to go clubbing or get drunk with my companions. I did, however, want to smack some of them in the face. The whole reason for paring missionaries up is to make sure they follow the rules. Most of them will follow the rules. But everyone has their breaking point.
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IMHO, he would qualify in every aspect, since the TR requires only that you say the right things during the interview. There is absolutely no requirement on the part of the interviewer to actually check up on any of the answers. So when a child molester, wife beater or adulterer goes in for his or her recommends (usually males), all he needs to do is say yes and no to the questions. Especially th
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For me, the ultimate factor is the promise of converse with celestial beings. The implication is that the GA's do it all the time, and the reason the rest of us don't is personal wickedness. That is, in my mind, the biggest fraud of all.
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Another shout-out to ozpoof. I was in the distribution center next to the Sydney temple around 1991. They were selling Tab Choir CD's. One of them was "God Bless America". Right after the USA had announced tarrifs on wheat that severely hampered Aussie farmers.
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One of the main beneficiaries of the Noni juice company is our own beloved, humble, ever-concerned-for-the downtrodden Orrin Hatch.
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If you look carefully, you will see (in the church magazines) that the church is teaching young people from Day One that the only point to their existence is to be a missionary. These messages will ensure that a very large percentage of 18 year olds will have no reservations whatsoever about doing whatever the church leaders tell them to do. It is so sad. I think of many of the native america
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What about all those people who do believe in God and still suffer horrible deaths? In science it's called a control group. In life it's called tragic.
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Here is my prediction. It isn't very cheery. Within two years a missionary will get raped and/or killed inside a chapel.
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Inverso Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Excuse me? > > Should I expect additional examples featuring > chicken and watermelon or sombreros and cactus? I agree with Inverso that ConcernedCitizen was out of line. There is no need to be racist. The fact is that every culture can be called a tribe. Some are larger than others. And every tribe
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twojedis Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There was an extensive back and forth conversation > going on between some apologists, sithlord, and > some NOM-ish types. The topic in question was > when the church added tithing and the WOW as part > of the temple recommend questions. There was lots > of debate and semantics going on. I read
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Is he a self-loathing homosexual? I ask in all seriousness.
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Where did the building architect come up with such innovative, artistically original designs? He/she must have spent years planning and sketching such novel and spiritually enlivening ideas. He or she must have once worked for a cubicle factory!
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munchybotaz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > and especially after looking over the website, I > think the new program is all about forcing the > members to come up with prospects and they just > threw in the technology to make it sound like > something else. > > As usual, members, the problem is YOU. You not > doing enough, you not
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I see a lot of parallels between this new initiative and the Vietnam experience. The Sixties generation was raised in a mythos that equated questioning the government with treason. As a result thousands of 18-year-olds were shipped off to fight and die in a war that they only dimly understood, beyond the black-and-white America-vs-commies backdrop. Most of America was absolutely OK with that.
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Plaese elaborate. IMO, the current G-15 are incapable of seeing all those non-whites as anything more than window-dressing and token examples of the G-15's own success. Can the current crop of G-15 ever start to see other races as inherently their equals in every sense, inlcuding their capability of running the church all by themselves with no need to ultimately defer to the manifestly superior O
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So TSCC has reached its final stage. It has nothing to offer anybody. There is no promise of a more spiritual, fulfilling life. There is no assurance of a more intimate relationship withGod. There is no claim of help in finding out who you are as a person and trying to help you explore that. There is no program of encouraging the members to follow that up with a real-time effort to help others li
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FYI, the HOC is the series that includes instructions from BY to the westward Saints to remember to bring along plenty of whiskey and coffee. It also quotes BY as refering to the office of Church President as Chief Cook and Bottlewasher. I kid you not.
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Yes, but: isn't part of the equation the notion that, in the hereafter, faithful P-holders will automatically be seen as having the cosmic right to command any woman, at any time, to do whatever he darn well wishes? I know, i know- "in righteousness" and all that- but we all know that what that really means is "whatever the P-holder darn well wishes". Just sayin'.
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And no, it is not true that conservatives give more to charity than do liberals. Conservatives give more to religious institutions. But which religious institutions? Not the Episcopalians, or the Presbyterians, or the Southern Chrsitian Leadership Conference. They give to the Southern Baptist Convention, the Missouri Synod Lutherans, and the Mormons. Please convince me that any of these are prima
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We are always in Biblical times. It's the only thing that the churches can rely on to maintain their sense of purpose. We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia, and so you have no right to challenge the ruling establishment. In my youth (in the sixties) I grew up wondering why God would permit such unspeakable evils as the Civil Rights movement, the Anitwar movement,
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My father took every opportunity to ridicule me and humiliate me. He even beat me a few times. And he let other people hit me. But the enemies of God are out to remove Mormon fathers from their rightful place as Heads of the Household.
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I am fully in favor of keeping sex within marriage. I am fully not in favor of making adolescents fear for their eternal salvation if they think about sex. Stray Mutt said it much better than I could.
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deconverted2010 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For me the worst story was about a man who worked > at the crossroads of the trains. A train is > approaching, at the same time his 4 year old is > coming to see him and it is on a dangerous spot. > The man does something to 'save' the people of the > train but his son is sacrificed in the
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To those of you who opted for the shorter stint when you were given the choice: were there any repercussions from friends and family, implying tht you were less valiant? I know that happened in some instances.
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Baura gave me this idea: Maybe someone should organize a faith-promotong Mountain Meadows Massacre reenactment.. Just sayin'
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