I myself would use the term "insulting & coerced-struck". I could not believe that after hearing repeatedly how sacred, special and marvelous the temple experience was that I had really been corralled, cornered and coerced into buying into this ridiculously juvenile demeaning roadshow performance which insulted my intelligence and belief in right and wrong. Given no warning
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Only you can decide if the church fulfills your needs. I myself am extremely happy to be out of an organization that does not find it essential for the leaders to be truthful or apologize, but demands these things from the members who also pay for the church to survive. The leaders are hypocrites, plain and simple, and manipulate continually for their own power, praise, position, and money.
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Eyes1 you said about the church, "The good things it had done for in life that couldn't have happened by other processes." I am interested in you sharing those good things as you see them.
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So...I bought into the idea of garments because they were connected to the temple which, you know, was the be-all and end-all until I actually went there. And, it was the same with the garments. Yeah, I was shocked at how UGLY they were, how uncomfortable they were (try breast-feeding in them), and how easy it was to see if people wore them (or not). Wearing them made me feel as if I had a s
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I personally think Joseph Smith's record left enough tracks that show he often and purposely chose action that took advantage, stepped on, lied about, raped, robbed and kicked people when they were down and that he definitely did not care. Just his inventory alone of "convenient" prophecies speaks volumes about who (him) benefited from these concoctions. Sure, he was gifted with ama
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I also like the term Temporary Mormon as it is ironic and gleeful in the way it describes today's Mormonism, you know the Mormonism that is the one which ADAMANTLY points to gripping that Iron Rod in order to cling to the Firm Foundation of God's One True Very Solid Church.
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My philosophy is that if anyone, family or not, has been asked and reasked to cease a behavior because it is hurtful and unkind, and then continues on with such behavior, this person does not care two hoots about me and my best interest. At this point, I decided I will not be a victim of this treatment any longer. Sure, I learned to be a victim, but I do not have to continue down that traje
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A Question Mark....until evidence proves otherwise.
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Welcome and nice to meet you. As others have said, there is nothing wrong with you, it is mormonism that is the problem. By the time the mormon kids reach high school indoctrination has taught them well to stick with mormons when they make friends because they are god's chosen and others, well definitely not. However, I wouldn't be surprised that as you do your own things that bring you hap
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^^^^^ Well done.
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My take on Nelson's Tuesday sermon at BYU is that it was aimed purposely and specifically at this age group of college students (he even gave advance notice that he had a special message just for them, you know telling them to get their arsses in them thar seats). In my opinion, the talk's main and only purpose was to get those thinking, caring students sitting before him, to be on his side a
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His delivery of his "sermons" nauseate me. I picture him practicing with Wendy daily (or maybe nightly with help from that mighty PenLight of his turned on) to create the desired tone, the exact emphasis on certain words, and to paste that creepy smile of his across his face at exactly the Wendy-declared-time. Your statement, "Hey Rusty, do you think we give a damn?" s
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Amen to that.
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You win if you said God (which is the same as Nelson meaning himself in my book). Anyway, these were his words in yesterday's BYU student devotional. "Truth is truth. The arbiter of truth is God; not your favorite social news feed, not Google, and, certainly not, those that are disaffected from the church." (plus, it is well-worth going through the agony of a listen to hear Nelso
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Insightful comments about the temple "ceremony", some of which, like the close whispering and smells, I never pin-pointed as adding to the distasteful temple atmosphere within its rooms. I remember finally getting to the so-called CK room my first time in the temple, extremely tired of the supposed quietness needed to be in line with spirituality, only to find that here I also was expe
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So many excellent comments on this thread which sum up par excellancey the spirit god or gods in the sky along with the whole scheme wrapped around it. So agree that at the heart of this "bamboozle" (thanks to Done and Done for this great word) is for the person to get his jollies and power with as little effort as possible. Been going on for a mighty long time and will continue as lo
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Recoiling at these words, follow the prophet, was usually my reaction to this phrase. From my abusive home circumstances, I became an independent thinker, grasping some of mormonism to help me find a plan for happiness but disregarding much of it. I was young, in my teens and early twenties, when I "found" the mormonism that worked for me and it did not include "following" a
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Welcome. Agree with your well stated thought that "Emotional abuse is irrational and close to animal like behavior". The unpredictability of it is frightening and stressful, preventing trust in people to develop and grow. As I was struggling big time to find "what was wrong with me," I began to learn that it was my family that had something wrong with them, not me. I wa
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A not-timid-in-the-least-elderly-family-member residing in a small town in Southern Utah, when the call went out in her Relief Society meeting for sisters to contact their neighbors for needed coffee cans for a craft project, stood up and loudly said, "Now we know that most members won't have to bother their neighbors for the coffee cans". The story goes that this lady did not beat a
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I, too, detest the word "worthiness" used continually by the Mormon Church. My detest grew in leaps and bounds when, back in the day, this word was used to describe how we Mormons, by our actions up in heaven, had earned our placement on this earth. What? This just did not speak of a loving, fair scenario. Would not loving heavenly parents want us to have a level playing field? (
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These latest guilting firesides across the West sure are keeping the brethren busy - let them keep up the nonsense as the number of members leaving the cult is not diminishing no matter what tactic they try. Sweden, Idaho, Hawaii, Arizona, Utah, etc.....I think they just enjoy the sight-seeing and those adoring TBM's who haven't given up on them.
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Dang cancer....my best hopes and wishes are being sent to you.
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Nuclear war....yeah, in the same boat....we'll all be dead.
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The indoctrination of the cult sinks its teeth deep into a member's psyche which means it usually takes much time and some relapses to move away from its grip. Hang in there. I think you are on the right track and give yourself kudos for trying, even if you relapse. Change takes time, especially when you are changing a lifestyle that was drilled into you. Oh, and it might be helpful to read u
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(swearing) Attempting to figure out the church to me was much like slaving over a puzzle where, unbeknownst to me, two similar, but different, puzzles had been mixed together. All my time, energy, and cuss words hadn't worked and wouldn't work. So, out of frustration, I distanced myself, took some new paths and roads, explored new scenery to give myself a break. Time and new perspectives
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....as has been mentioned - the AMAZING, EXPOSING INTERNET arrived, and as much as the cult tried, using their tithing earned money, energy and time, it, the cult, has not been able to shut it down. What? Did you not pray enough cult or read your scriptures enough for God to answer your prayers on this one?
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I so agree with the wisdom here that Mormons are conditioned, BY THE CULT THEY BELONG TO, to blabber intimate details of their life freely, frequently and quickly to even someone they just met. To tune into one of these conversations, your friendly sky travel will provide the opportunity traveling from Utah or to Utah. Soap operas are common. Too much info, too soon, and too fast is the na
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I think this is a solid and healthy suggestion. A friendly, caring face or faces would mean the world to your brother.
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I misread the title of this thread as.... Question about Book of Mormon blarney. And, I rather like the sound of this sentence with this word added. (Meaning no disrespect to the wonderful Irish people. I hope they don't mind if I borrow it because I think blarney is one of those words which say much as well as sound great)
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Were they dropped on their head before the age of 3? Did they eat too many carrots and not enough broccoli? I know, one leg is shorter than the other! Could it be they revere Ole Joey and everything in done write and done said. Or, maybe they believe the BofM because they love Grandma and after all, she believed. I just know I believe it is a wonder to me because I did not believe
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