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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Appreciate immensely your tip on this terrific Doc....I ordered his book on my Kindle and have spent time today reading.
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Great job, Washington Post!
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Love the "McTemple FAIRY Tails" title.
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Yes, this argument is able to be proposed because the church has infused it with omissions up the ying-yang, half-truths and outright lies. What average Amanda or Doug in the church knows that old sleazy Joe had one of his slaves smuggle a gun into the jail, allowing Joe get off 2 or 3 rounds before sailing out the window? And, how many know that a favorite beverage of his was also smuggled int
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
I also think it is out of fear and reeks of weakness which should be, me thinks, one of the church's articles of faith. ....We believe and condone WEAKNESS and his is how we show the world to do it: 1. Condemn science. 2. Condemn facts. 3. Give new definitions to reason, reality, and truth.
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Moi aussie. (French for me also)
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
An interesting way to look at his cry and could have been a real possibility. I saw him as being "scared" out of his wits and needing people to rescue him. Yet, a narcissist to the bone he was, so maybe there is a compromise here where he combined the two and also "used it as an emotional tool so that everyone would think he was being moved by the 'spirit'".
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
A pity indeed. William had to contend with the fact that Joseph was the favorite son of his dad, and in his mom's eyes, had the "prophetic" gift. William was almost a ghost in the family dynamics.
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
YES and YES the women do indeed have it rough and so carry the blame. Treated with this stigma, both subtly and overtly, it virtually makes them outliers in their own religion and then fills them with shame, guilt and self-loathing, plus no self-understanding or compassion which they desperately need and deserve. My mom is an example of this....she was born in 1910, a member of the LDS church
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Yea, axe their sorry butts...
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
He also said, "This church is not a fairy tale," and that he and other leaders there did not get up this morning and say, uh, look, let's go play a big trick, a big joke on these young single adults. Jowels himself uttered these thoughts recently in a tear-strung-testimony in East Africa to a Young Single Adults group. To my way of thinking these words betray what the church is ve
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
The surveys are one of the funniest contradictions decorating the lds portfolio. Mish: So then you are interested in the best church in the world? I just know you are going to love it. Oh, but wait, I know how you can be sure that is the case. Let me ask for a survey to be done by the church...they'll get back to us real fast and then you will know and be good to go. Sound like a plan?
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
'tis true, 'tis true....the lds clown show is getting not only smaller but dumber and hanging by the outer fringes by the second.
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
I say go ahead lds and keep the martyr number growing by leaps and bounds. This stupidity is getting rid of extremely bright, well-educated, dedicated and ethical members who are usually still tithe payers (from what I know). Yes, stupid, stupid, stupid is the right description, and me thinks this adjective should be used always in introducing the clowns who think they are bestowed by Jesus a
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
I would encourage her to "X" their sorry butts just like Jeremy Reynolds chose to do. But, if she really wants to be stay in, I hope it has this outcome for her. I guess I was never indoctrinated enough, thank gawd, because I would only have taken Jeremy Reynold's stance at the silly court...that is if I chose to attend the court at all. Instead, I chose to resign, and I felt w
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Yes, "...tawdry single men or divorced men...visible in leadership roles," do not meet the criteria for upstanding mormon men and, of course, good Gawd, not women either as their leadership in said church is ONLY allowed in LDS homes. Makes me wonder if this lesser apostle's talk just slipped through the censorship snares, falling through the cracks with whose head rolling after? I
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
This, according to Gerritt Gong from LDS GC April, 2021, is the state of more than half of the church population, consisting of unmarrieds, single and divorced. Gong then continues and states the following, and I quote, "Our standing before the Lord in this church is not a matter of our marital status but of our becoming faithful and valiant diciples of Jesus Christ". These thoug
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Thank you so much for sharing this thought as I have very much felt this way also but did not know or even dare voice asking if anyone else felt this way too. I, and I don't mean to boast, but I have been very much a self motivator and do take pride in my accomplishments because I have used hard work to make these happen. So when others, especially Mormon others, become a force in this scene by
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Just my humble opinion but I think this talk of Nelson shows not only a pres worried about the very existence of his money corporation, but shows the true colors of this person. He was out to demean others who he knew had outshined him...I mean by Gawd, he is a surgeon, a heart surgeon and PLUS he sits in the (supposed) position of being THE mouthpiece for God himself (so he says). How dare a
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
I never heard this aspect of the whole fairy tale. Pretty interesting. What I heard about the preexistence was that our placement in our earthly family depended on our performance in heaven. What a gawd! I mean if this was true and god was kind and loving, intelligent and caring, you would think now wouldn't you, that you would be placed in a wonderful home that could help and assist you i
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
About this talent thing....I was incensed that in my granddaughter's words she was told that it was her "responsibility" to do good in the world with the many talents she was given. I just have a mighty hard time picturing a GAWD putting it this way....you know, do what I say, or else!
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Appreciate your compliment. I get so worked up over the youth mish thing. This granddaughter is such a hard worker, takes "her" church so seriously and life so seriously, and always been a child that follows the letter of the law. I have had a VERY difficult time reading her correspondence, hearing the crap that is continually drilled into her. The one saving grace is that she h
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
These words straight from a current missionary. My first reaction was one of anger that she is hearing messages like this constantly. Do this, do that because God expects and wants it. You don't want to disappoint Jesus do you? Pressure, pressure and more pressure to perform. Pressure, pressure and more pressure to work harder and, of course, pray harder. Pressure, pressure and more pre
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Also, a Lazy Learner here according to ole Rusty's thinking. And, my laazzy learning has really been super-duper handy because it has shown me that (finally) this self-declared prophet has had what can be declared (finally) a bonafide rather angry.... REVELATION!!! Befitting a Mormon Prophet!!! (I guess) CONGRATS RUSS!!! He has revealed that when he stamps his foot like a two-year-old
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Some trivia just hit me. Others have probably noticed and talked about this before BUTT.... Is it a coincidence that these general meetings are called CONference and a CONman began them? It is right there folks! Joseph Smith, or whoever mormon Conman coined the name, was revealing it all!
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
A couple reasons bounce near the top: 1. We humans fear the unknown. So if you have a color, especially a "dark" color that is associated with the dark of night where its difficult to see where the "unknown" (again) lurks plus features that do not match with mine, people are leary right off the starting line. 2. America, although we don't want to face it, are imperia
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Yes, I do realize a bishop has a lot to do. But some certainly do it better than others, and why, inspite of sexism, are not relief society presidents called pres for life as they work their beh***s off too? Has this custom been part of Mormonism's inception since ole Joey hallucinated the whole thing into being? And, why I am at it, what stories are out there of those poor devoted male Mo
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Madeguy sums it up....."the unknown can be frightening." I would even add that the unknown is usually frightening. So then when there is a church that tells you questioning is only permitted when they say it is permitted, that it is the one true place that has ALL the answers, the boundaries have been drawn and a member is commanded, not just told, that, by gawd, he better stay
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Many strands to pull back on this question for me. In some respects Mormonism filled the deep unending well in my life that was created by the emotional, physical, and sexual abusive nightmare created by my family. The Mormon culture surrounded me, and it was my Mormon friends including me in their church attendance and activities who thereby introduced me to the idea of the promise of happ
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4 years ago
presleynfactsrock
Come on guys, just where would we be if the Canadians had the Book of Mormon Musical as theirs? Such a tragedy! Plus, think of not having..... 1. PTSD by the boat-loads and pharmaceuticals going out of business because of Mormons not buying sh**-loads of depressants. 2. April and October without GC revelations, also by the sh** loads, and Holland's jowels and Eyring's continual flow
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