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7 years ago
Mannaz
It is the new name. If I give it to you I must suffer my life to be taken by disembowelling myself. But if asked by a member I will say that the church would identify me a heretic and apostate. Then they inevitably say "no your not". Last time at ward holiday party my TBM DW defended me by explaining where I stood re church. Man I love her. Have always loved your Reddit name. Mi
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7 years ago
Mannaz
My daughter was denied because she has what used to be called asbergers (now it's filed into autism spectrum). She was fine. A+ student. Worked for year to earn money for it. Went on splits sister missionaries most weeks. Had strong recommendations from bishop, stake president, and seminary teacher - all personal friends at the time. But she honestly answered the question of ever being treated fo
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7 years ago
Mannaz
I am an ambivalent. I no longer feel the need to self-identify as anything. And I miss George Carlin's humor.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Very arrogant for an area authority to do. It is no simple task to find a good bishop and likewise one that does not get burned out before they tour of duty is up. I know several bishops who would have just thanked god and waited to get released. I knew of one bishop who sold his house as a way to move to another stake and likewise get released from his calling as bishop. Nuts.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
The person who wrote that is “lying for the Lord”, IMHO
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7 years ago
Mannaz
'pollythinks' - yes, a well researched and supported point. But I come to rfm in search of greater light and knowledge that is witnessed here by so many. New documents and information are constantly showing up these days. I am as current as the JS papers, MormonThink level, and some of my own investigation. But alas, I am just one person.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
And yes, I have no doubts regarding the origins of the book of Mormon - the copying of parts/styles several published writings, mingled with elements of Methodism, frontier revivalist narratives, and the muddled thoughts of a charismatic sex cult founder. Ever want to distress a TBM just pull out a copy of "The Late War" and ask them to read the first few pages...I keep mine next to
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7 years ago
Mannaz
That is in relation to the first vision, which was recorded approximately 12 years after the claimed event and in which there was one angelic visitor. My question is regarding the restoration of the priesthood - when was the first record, not a retrospective one - of angelic visitors restoring the priesthood.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
This issue has been systemic in church for long long time. If you want to be further sickened by this read “The sins of brother Curtis” by Lisa Davis. An account that goes back to the 70’s. I think one place that may have an effect is states outside of Mordor where mandatory reporting laws may extent to conduct observed outside of the employment context - where lay ministry may not be pr
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Just say no. Or just don’t do the visits. If you HT a friend u can always call any monthly interaction as a visit. “Hey, how about the Bears game?” HT done.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
O/T: The Force is first documented in the near final Star Wars script in January 1976. It was developed further for the Phantom Menace. The notion of ‘the force’ and ‘Jedi’ and other underpinnings of Star Wars is a synthesis of numerous religious and philosophical belief systems. BTW, I saw the first public opening night of Star Wars in 1977. It was epic.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
“Seer? Sucker!” notes above Lyman Writes ordination to Melchizedek Priesthood in June 1831 conference minutes (source: Joseph Smith papers). Thanks.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Excellent! Thanks and also for links to good reference trail. Are you aware of when angelic appearances where first mentioned?
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Yes, to those who it affects most like spouse or significant other or kids, yes. Again yes. How much you go into it is where I think you use judgement in terms of how much the other person can process. I think a statement like “I am deeply troubled by the church polygamy in Nauvoo essay and this makes it hard for me to accept that JS could have been called of God. If he wasn’t then where does
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Thanks! I’ve done a little more investigation. Here are churches claims. Aaronic Priesthood Restored: May 15, 1829 Melchizedek Priesthood Restored: May 1829 (end of month). In Grant Palmer’s book. No written documentation in letters and journals etc. until mid-1830’s that claim angelic appearances in resroration. JS and OC did claim priesthood was restored in 1830’s around when churc
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Question: Is there any contemporaneous record of the restoration of the priesthood? Journal entry or otherwise? Do the journals of those that were present with JS for the event exist and/or are they available? My recollection is no on the first. Not sure on the last. It has been awhile since I read up on this.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
A 'cognitive dissonance' reinforcement site. Just saying.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Tithing. At least from TSCC perspective.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
It takes some time to 'release the bonds' and that will make you feel less defensive. That will make it easier to be calm. Maybe also pick a couple of items that become a standard retorts. Mine were my personal ethics were in conflict (e.g., I won't lie). My mental health is better (give concrete example of something observable that has changed for you). I can't accept that a man like JS could be
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7 years ago
Mannaz
I also am about just a few 10th’s shy of 4% myself. About that temple work....?
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Seriously. Besides that I’d have to say “Rocky Horror Picture Show”. Oh yeah, still ‘sex, drugs, and rock and roll’. O.K., the ‘drugs’ were just pot and alcohol. Speed, lueds, and acid were never my thing. Yeah, child of the 60’s and 70’s.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
One of the many kind things my believing DW did for me was buy me undies as I was slowly going nuts having bastardized masonic symbols next to my skin. But I digress. I'm curious how long it might have taken some of you to voluntarily put on a white t-shirt that was not absolutely required due to the type of shirt. I've been out around 3 years and I still find it hard to put on a white t-shirt
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Gosh, in the old days they used to say you can survive as long as you "never get caught with a 'dead' girl or a 'live' or a live boy." Hopefully after all this mess we'll have moved that ball forward a bit.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
That's a lot of tattoo's to put on one presidents forehead? Might have to scoot that hair-thing up a bit to get them in. /s
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7 years ago
Mannaz
I feel like I now have 'greater light and knowledge' to converse with the Reddit. :). Gad I must be getting old.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Bible ward? Not sure what that means. Unfortunately I do know what ward boundaries I live in. Basically good folk. I am in the Bessemer Stake that has the West side of Birmingham. Perhaps I just 'doxed' myself.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Love the dog name. We just got and I toyed with naming him ‘Satan’ just so I could go around the neighborhood saying “here Satan, come Satan, oh such a good boy Satan. But alas, DW and the kids would not go for it. Which Stake are you in? I am in the one that includes the Tuscaloosa area.
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Anxiety guy here with a bit of depression tossed in from time to time. Wife also. Kids likewise. We’re a tad OCD as well. Actually relatively functional for being in academia. Anyhow, adult thing to do is get help. Take medication if suggested to at least get in a place where therapy can help. You do this for the people you love and who love you. Along the way you’ll begin feeling better. In
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7 years ago
Mannaz
Ah, hello from another here in AL. And no, you can’t make the shit that goes on here. I mean, you have to be impeached twice and diddle girls a few months shy of 15 to run for senate here. Where else have I heard of such scurrilous behavior? If only Nick Sabain would endorse Doug Jones. That might do it. I mean it is God, guns, and football here - just not in that order. Alas I rant rhe words o
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