He thinks that my preoccupation with Mormon problems has something to do with the fact that I have other problems. I personally often feel "defensive" in public, and I like to read about problems with Mormonism because that defensiveness gets channeled to a noble purpose. My dad is a kind person. Even as a believer, he has his own criticisms of Mormonism, but he doesn't "get&q
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I am being "forced" by my dad to attend meetings at Wasatch Mental Health in Provo. I can't disobey him because I live in his house! I was living on my own in Mississippi for 7 years, and then I had a car accident. Because of that accident, I lost my car, home, and job, and had to move to Utah. I view my problem as temporary. Eventually I can get a job and move out on my own. But
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I told my bishop about my masturbation and he wouldn't sign my ecclesiastical endorsement. I graduated right then and there without attending another semester. However, the degree I graduated with was not the greatest degree. I wanted to stay at BYU longer to get a better degree. After I graduated, I spend 3 years working low paying jobs, not knowing what to do. Then I got an MBA from the U
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Yes, but Warren Jeffs WAS the law. He was a lawmaker. He ruled over his own kingdom. His religious beliefs taught him that he shouldn't obey every U.S. law. So in his mind, he didn't have to obey U.S. law, because the law of God takes precedence over the law of the land. Brigham Young and the early Mormons didn't feel they were breaking the law. They felt they were obeying a higher law th
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Warren Jeffs grew up knowing that he would be the prophet of the FLDS. His own father prepared him. Warren was "forced" to be prophet much like many LDS men are "forced" to serve a mission. It was expected of him. He became a crazy tyrant because of the unlimited power he had. Other people in other situations have done similar things. Many of the Roman leaders wer
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My name is God, and, buddy, I'll tear you limb from limb. How dare you not marry a wife? I COMMANDED YOU, I TRIED TO FORCE YOU TO TAKE A WIFE BY COERCING YOU TO SERVE A MISSION AND THEN IMPLANTING IN YOUR BRAIN THE IDEA THAT YOU WOULD BE DAMNED IF YOU DIDN'T MARRY WITHIN 6 MONTHS OF YOUR MISSION'S END!!! You are slime, you jerk!!! MARRY and MARRY IN THE TEMPLE!!!!!!! I am God and I comman
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I got interested in gambling while I was losing faith in Mormonism and after. I spend a lot of time in Wendover, and in Las Vegas and other gambling cities. My gambler identity may have arisen even if I had remained a believer in Mormonism. It also arose for other reasons. However, my identity as a gambler is heightened because of the Church. I view my home state, Utah, as oppressive, and
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Many FLDS members, as well as members of other polygamous Mormon offshoots, are undoubtedly unhappy with their situations. I wonder how often they read this board and/or post here. Here's a question: who is happier (or sadder): FLDS members or LDS members? It's not so easy to answer when you really think about it. I wonder if FLDS members are even allowed to use the internet.
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The FLDS are known for being very secretive. They like to homeschool their children, and they drill propaganda into them. It's hard on boys who can't find wives when all the wives are taken by powerful men. Plural wives who want to leave may not have a social security number or a birth certificate. People who try to leave may not be able to take any money with them, since they gave all their
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He didn't believe in God, but he had a lot of influence. Also, his communist ideas have to be taken on faith, because they can't be scientifically proven.
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I wonder if Smith, or whoever wrote the Book of Mormon, used a twist on the word "Moron" just to see how gullible people really are. Maybe Smith was saying, "If you believe Mormon and Moroni, then you are a real Moron." Or perhaps the similarity is just a coincidence. Smith could have made up different words if he wanted to, that would have made the fraud less obvious.
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Grant Palmer does not believe in many teachings of Mormonism, such as the idea that the Book of Mormon is real history, and that the accouts of the first vision are true. Yet in his book, "An Insider's View of Mormon Origins", he says he is still a Church member and he believes that Mormonism is good because it promotes faith in Christ. I don't understand how he could remain an acti
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The job of Apostle is not like an ordinary job. The ordinary worker looks forward to the day he can quit his job, retire, and spend the rest of his life enjoying himself, whether that means travel, hobbies, or what. The Apostle can't do this. He can never look forward to retiring. NEVER!!! It is worse than being on a mission. A missionary can leave in two years, but an Apostle can NEVER LEA
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When I turned 19, it was 1987. I was skeptical of the Church way back then. I wasn't sure if I wanted to go on a mission. I did a lot of research on the Church, but this research mainly took the form of talking to people about my doubts. If I had had the internet back then, there is no way I would have gone on a mission. I had to find out the truth the hard way. I ended up going on a m
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Jeffrey Holland gave a talk in the early nineties at BYU, where he was president. He told the students at the university that they were staying at BYU too long; they were taking too long to graduate. He urged them to leave BYU quickly by graduating quickly. He used the example of monarch butterflies in his talk at the Marriot Center. In a certain part of the world, millions of monarch butter
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Did you have to hold the priesthood to perform a naked touching ceremony? If so, Men would have had to touch women in the temple. If women were allowed to naked touch women, then it means the priesthood was not necessary to perform the ceremony.
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Here are some ideas for a T-shirt: In big, bold letters: "I know the Church is false!" A picture of Joseph Smith, Adolf Hitler, and Joseph Stalin, with the words "First Counselor" and "Second Counselor" underneath the two dictators. A picture of Emma Smith in a bikini and Joseph Smith in a speedo. A picture of Lucifer along with the words, "You can
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Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, John Taylor, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, all have no middle names. Joseph F. Smith used one to differentiate himself from Joseph Smith, and the practice continued until the present day.
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Boy Scouts does not have anything to do with the Book of Mormon, any other scripture, or any of the commandments. No GA said, "Get involved in Boy Scouts or be damned!" Mormons have enough commandments to live up to. They don't need to be guilt tripped into the Boy Scout program.
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If you believe in something, if you believe there is a strong purpose to your life, you will live longer. Mormons have a strong belief system, a very strong purpose to life. There is meaning to their lives--do Church work, missionary work, etc. When life gets tough they turn to their beliefs. When the world makes no sense, they turn inward and gain strength from their religion. Mormonism is
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I don't know the answer to this, because I haven't gone to church since 1995. The question is: how big is "masturbation" in the Church? Was it a passing fad that has disappeared, or is it as strong as ever today? Is masturbation one of those "basic gospel principles" that are considered central to Mormonism generation after generation, or is it just due to B.K. Packer, and
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watched people testify in court on youtube that Prozac caused their loved ones to commit suicide. It scares me, and it scares me that my loved ones have tried to influence me to take antidepressants. They think I might need them. I am currently not financially successful, while my parents and siblings are, so my parents tend to think if something is wrong it is with me rather than with their M
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Many Mormons are on Prozac. I know that Prozac gets rid of anxiety, but does it get rid of anxiety so completely that its Mormon users no longer care whether or not the Church is true? Does anybody know? I have felt "pressure" to take Prozac and other antidepressants. It is almost as if people look at these drugs as more than just medicine. "Prozac pushers" seem to be t
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Human beings are gullible. I think that the inclination to believe nonsense is built into the human psyche. The most common type of human is the type that readily believes in whatever religious ideas are dominant at the moment. So, even though Mormonism is not true, it is "true" in one sense: it is true that believers are acting in accord with their true nature as gullible human bei
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One thing that used to appeal to me about Mormonism, before I found out it was not true, was the fact that it was open to anybody. Anybody had the capacity to keep the commandments. It did not exclude anybody. However, the marriage commandment does not live up to this ideal. A Mormon mission can be done. Anybody who really, really wants to can probably serve a mission. He/she needs to sac
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"CULT" is very negative and I have no problem with people who use it to express their frustrations with Mormonism. We all have free speech. However, I just want to look at the word more closely. I personally believe that no religions are "true". Why don't people call all religions "cults"? Why not call the Catholic Church a "cult" or the Baptist chur
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The Gospels were written many, many years after Jesus supposedly lived. Nobody knows who actually wrote them. A true testament must be reliable; it must include eyewitness accounts that can be verified. The Bible cannot produce verifiable eyewitness accounts of the life of Jesus, of the Crucifixion, of the the Resurrection, or of Jesus' teachings. The absence of historical reference to Jesus
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On m*rmoncurtain.com, the section about Holland is very interesting. After being ordained an apostle, he supposedly sank into a very deep depression. The person relating the story thought that Holland was in a state of cognitive dissonance because deep down he didn't really believe in Mormonism. He appears to have conquered some of that depression, but in his 2009 October Conference talk he se
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