Nice! And according to my lapsed Catholic friend, you can then lie. "Oh -- of course I went to Mass -- at you know -- <mumble something> church -- the one across town. The one you have never heard of." At least she was puzzled by our problems with Bishop Interviews, as she said the *understood convention* was to lie in confession. I take no responsibility for these clai
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I think you are NOT supposed to mention posters' names -- but thanks everyone who clarified the Roman Catholic just Catholic name thing. Not that I am CLEAR -- but at least I understand that using the Roman Catholic Church is not the error of bias I was taught. Of course now when I go to use either I will hesitate and think -- Is this in the Chicago Manual of Style -- or are you just on your
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But it is also inaccurate to make it seem as though it ALL happened 80 year ago. It is about cases that span that far back -- but some are recent enough. That is part of what is troubling -- it has been going on for some time -- and it just keeps going on.
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Yeah -- I understood it.
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Wow. I was forced from my home (melodramatic version) or I had to leave home for expensive and toxic repairs (realistic version) and came back to find I couldn't comment on my own thread, "Following the Catholic Church sex scandal -- right or wrong?" Soooooooo I guess I am pleased it set off such a lively discussion -- and I think SOME of it was productive, especially as the t
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I dipped into some controversy on the board about whether or not this board should be posting about the scandal in the Catholic Church. I don't know if it is my place to weigh in, but I believe the board should. If anything I wish there were more post -- or perhaps rather different posts. First of all -- this scandal is a thing. It's not just classic American xenophobic anti-Catholicism. Some
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I am not looking for a fight about the definition of social media -- there are much more interesting issues in the roller coaster article -- but I did want to point out it is not MY definition -- it is simply the definition. When you are socializing online and not in person, it's social media. It was not my take on the article that FACEBOOK was the bad guy -- for me it was much deeper than th
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My point is merely that RfM IS social media. Period. Some might prefer one medium to another, but all are social media. Personally, I like Facebook. Colors! Art! Cute puppy pics! Politics! Nothing is "off topic" because the world is the topic. But I am not trying to persuade anyone to like Facebook -- or Twitter or Instagram. People like what they like. They learn to navigate in
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I was a bit amused by the poster who hated social media. Uhm -- you mean -- like -- online boards?
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That's a nice unpacking of what one goes through reading the article. I, too, was of two minds about it. I think it's going to be tempting for some, but ultimately -- creepy. I think it does raise complicated issues -- very complicated -- and open ended. One I saw was if we need others to share our point of view to have a relationship with them, aren't we -- still being very Mormon? How ab
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For anyone interested, this from the Daily Beast: Inside the Secret Facebook War For Mormon Hearts and Minds. https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-the-secret-facebook-war-for-mormon-hearts-and-minds?ref=home Can't say I'm a fan of the method, but then leaving hasn't caused me great pain.
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Hmmmm -- "...a *greasy* community"? Imma assume that was a typo, although I am not sure of the original intent. I love UU. It's a great place to find a community -- greasy or otherwise -- he he. The services have some intellectual meat, there are no dogmas, no rigid beliefs. I like just looking through the hymn book with its women's, Lesbian, and other cultures' poetry. There are man
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My usual two cents -- "Not only is the Santa myth harmless, but it might actually be good for kids’ cognitive development. Fantastical stories foster a type of imaginative play that sparks creativity, social understanding and even—strange as it may sound—scientific reasoning... "First: Let go of any guilt you have about duping your kids. Santa belongs in the “good lie” p
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Oh -- of course -- the citation -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/a-healthy-mystery-over-attending-houses-of-worship/2017/07/07/c0c4e2d0-628f-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f8b5467d601e
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Other excellent points raised: * Many researchers agree that even if religious attendance does promote better health, it’s not appropriate for a physician to tell patients to go to church if they want to live longer — just as it wouldn’t be appropriate to tell patients they should get married because research shows married couples live longer. * For example, he said, it would be unet
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I think I was singularly lucky in the article I stumbled on to -- because it asked the *good* questions -- as well as acknowledging the science. I like that -- on both counts. It is called, in fact, "A healthy mystery," and Imma just cut and paste it because I think it is so good. Pay attention to the last paragraph is this clip. "A documentary called “Your Health: A Sacred
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Haven't finished my post -- so isn't a bit early to decide what I'm missing? 3. SOMEONE posted something -- well -- is "weird" too judgmental? And called the study a word that WEIRDLY got through the the Great God filter -- a word I didn't know you tossed about here -- as so many of my posts don't make it. This poster said the study was fracked up -- because after all the older you g
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Just wow. Someone posts a *scientific* study -- watch people go bat crap -- because they don't really like the conclusions. THAT never happens in religions. Oh. Wait. I thought that was one of the reasons we LEFT religions. There are all kinds of LEGITIMATE criticism to make of this and any other study -- but I am not seeing much of that here. And some of the "issues" brought up
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Your boss earned some serious side-eye there. (e_e)
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Carry on. Seriously. My post was just a note. Now I have a couple of others. 1. I think MOST of us reconcile those two worlds. MOST people know atheists and believers. I belong to a church that effortlessly includes both. I went to a (rather good) play in Provo recently written by a Mormon about (an autobiographical) protagonist -- who was the outspoken family atheist. If I met someone who
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god (n.) Old English god "supreme being, deity; the Christian God; image of a god; godlike person," from Proto-Germanic *guthan (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Dutch god, Old High German got, German Gott, Old Norse guð, Gothic guþ), which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (source also of Old Church Slavonic zovo "to call,&q
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In the U.S. there have been 233 mass shooting as of August 23 in 2018 alone, Just. *2018.* The Jacksonville gamer makes 234. You wanna hear something really weird? Not ONE of them was carried out by a Muslim. There is, in fact, no pattern of religious belief to these shootings -- or the tens of thousands other shootings in this country -- which I find VERY reassuring and comforting -- becau
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n/t
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Not *entirely* off-topic -- http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/09/26/no_nasa_didn_t_change_your_astrological_sign.html
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Coca-Cola cures headaches, and the Mormon Church gives you one?
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Please give citation for your "fun fact" -- or it remains just a fun urban legend. Wow -- from Mormonism to Trumpsterism, one of the great steps down you could have taken. I'll set aside that Trump has been proved to lie more often than Joseph Smith, although there's that. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?mtrref=www.bing.com&gwh=027779
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It rather depends on what you are calling the Evangelical Religious Right. It seems a term that contracts and expands -- like a bellows. What has been called the Religious Right as a political force has included Catholics -- and they have spoken out forcefully from many corners against the racism currently on display. They were also the unhappy recipients of that hate not that long ago in Ame
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Wow -- all those words -- and so little said. I work in a public school. There is a big sign in the break room pointing out that any student can opt out of the pledge. And although it doesn't say so, that can be for any reason -- it does not have to be about belief -- or lack thereof. They can opt out because they are not citizens. Or they don't think we actually offer "liberty and justic
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That was heartfelt -- and intelligent and articulate. I'm genuinely sorry for what you're going through. I think you are right -- it's time for you to move on from obsessing -- although to be fair to the whole process, there is a time and a place of all of it -- anger, regret, tears, trying on other lives, obsessing, talking about it endlessly -- and moving on to other projects. I think a
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This thread is more virulently sexist than anything I have heard on the subject from the Mormon Church -- not that I am in a place where I would hear. The message is loud and clear to women posters -- you better put up and shut up or we will treat you with the same cruelty and injustice we doled out to Kate Kelly. Nice. Predictable, but nice.
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