Dark Lord Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's interesting how much hatred these guys elicit > from religious fanatics. Then again, the religious > have always shunned enlightenment and persecuted > its harbingers. > > I do find Erhman to be disingenuous, with his > unfounded insistence that Jesus must have existed. > He knows ful
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deco Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > poopstone Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I can't help it but when I see Dawkins saying > > something I think of the Devil himself. There's > no > > one ruder, more arrogant/ignorant with the gift > of > > language than Dawkins. > >
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Personally, I think Bay Buchanan is a perfect match for Molly Mo. I do not find her conversion surprising, although as she has divorced her Mormon husband, it would be interesting to know if she is still "active." Buchanan was raised Catholic. I hope this does not break the "No Politics!" rule, but she was part of a Republican party that holds a view of women very much like
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kentish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My Oxford dictionary defines church as: 1.a > building used for Christian worship 2. a > particular Christian organization with its own > distinctive doctrines 3. institutionalized > religion as a political or social force. > > Random House dictionary is similar in its > definition. >
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Holy Mother of God -- a "historicist"! Not only that, but a "historicist believer"! This is an attempt to trash MAINSTREAM scholarship by linking it to that goofy slur, "religionist." And then adding in believer -- as if the huge body of scholars who believe in a historic Jesus are somehow aiding and abetting in believing in a divine Jesus. Right. So logical -- li
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Oh dear. Did Tal suggest that someone's Prophet of God is just an ordinary, everyday, garden-variety insensitive pig? (And something of an idiot?) How terrible. But I can't wait for the Second Board Coming -- when y'all finally catch up with the times (which keep eluding you) and you can FINALLY can confess to the delusions and weaknesses that swamped you during your Angry Atheist stage. You w
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If there is no God, we can safety deduce that you are not He. I think the project of weighing whether the "good" outweighs the "bad" in religion is preposterous -- and presumes omnipotence on the part of the human rolling not just loaded but bogus dice. To do so, one would have to have access to the intimate corners of every human heart that has ever beaten. Also, a defini
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Some posters on this thread present us with a genuine mystery. If only religion makes us bigots -- what makes SOME atheists -- who loudly (perhaps The-Lady-Doth-Protest-Too-Much too loudly) HATE religions -- such bigots? We can't blame religion for their slanted take on things nor their entitled rudeness to others. So who -- or what -- can we blame? It is easy enough to trace out unfairness on
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Sometimes it is hard to know where to start. What "scientific" basis is there for the strong to not harm, exploit, and kill the weak? You are kidding, right? Let's see -- in a species that has a long period of infancy and childhood when the members of the species need protection and care -- for the species to continue? Now why would Mom Nature build in deep taboos against eating babi
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rt's post -- word. Also there is a book out there -- Ethics for Dummies. No offense intended.
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Geesh, MJ -- your precious prophets Dawkins, Harris, et al deserve the same scrutiny as Pope Francis and Thomas Monson, to name only two on a long list. And for the same reasons. They seem to be deep into telling everyone how to live their lives and judging others. If you honestly don't get the deep irony of your self-righteous umbrage -- oh wait! I'm talking to the irony-impaired MJ, the guy
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I don't always agree with Tal Bachman -- in fact I rarely do, but anyone who criticizes him for never speaking out about other wrongs and injustices in the world -- outside of the current crop of outspoken atheists who are acting like asses -- including the wrongs of religions, specifically the wrongs of Mormonism -- is either woefully ignorant of Tal's work -- or completely unfair. Period.
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Archytas -- You sound as annoyed as Daniel Peterson when someone speaks ill of the Lord's anointed! Don't mind me. The snerking sound is me obediently stifling my loud laughter.
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Also, I wanted to add Jung's Man and His Symbols as a great book for understanding religions.
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Human Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not necessarily the best, just personal > favourites: > > The Periodic Table, by Primo Levi > What Is Life, by Erwin Schrodinger > > John Donne's Poems and Sermons > George Herbert's Poems Great, great response. Also Lives of a Cell and A Little History of Science For the other --
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I skimmed over the former thread and was puzzled by several ideas joined together in the original post. 1. I don't see how examining public behavior is an "ad hominem attack." I think we have every right to examine, say, the messages in a speech by the pope. I don't think of it as an "ad hominem attack" if thoughtful people find sexism or duplicity in a papal pronouncement
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Hmmm -- as a longtime feminist, I am glad there is some attempt in a (one) dominantly atheist community to deal with the sexism found there. I have long thought Dawkins, Hitchens, PZ Myers (with his poor 'Trophy Wife') sexists -- or as we used to call them in my day, pigs. There are great books to come in about the deep irony of the emergence of an Angry Atheist community at the turn of the centu
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Faults on both sides, as my favorite profound writer P.G. Wodehouse used to say. :) One side: Tyson is not my favorite guy in world once he starts on the connection between religion and anti-science or anti-intellectualism -- because the larger thesis (not necessarily the details) has been disproved. His notions of history, or at least his PHRASINGS about history have provoked me to raise an e
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Whoa! Thank god T shirt and jeans are not a "costume" and are not imposed on us as a necessity for belonging in a group. Thank god we don't make "statements" with our clothing -- and, wow, like, if we did, man, all those statements would be how each of us is unique. Although, we all end up looking alike! Weird, man. Ironic. This is one of those cases when "Simply Being
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Zero pity. Eating fish once a week is good for the environment and our health. Having an official meat break built into the week is simply a good idea whether it is fish on Friday or Meatless Monday. I try to do both. So sue me. I loved the tradition of restaurants having great fish deals on Fridays. I am sorry one sees less of it these days. As for the public schools RESPECTING the beliefs of
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The LDS Church or RfM? As always, please support your thesis.
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bona dea is right. I just started this thread because the one where this topic first came up was closed. I had never heard Hobbs' theory of war, but I love it. Amen. I'm going to save that for future use. Sometimes I want to tell post-Mormon posters, as much as I sometimes want to tell Mormons, google is your friend! This is the Wiki on Hitler's religious beliefs. Stomping around saying
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"In their recently published book, "Encyclopedia of Wars," authors Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod document the history of recorded warfare, and from their list of 1763 wars only 123 have been classified to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare. While, for example, it is estimated that app
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It's always interesting to surf through RfM. I don't really want to get involved here, but I do have a few thoughts. Anonymous sources are anonymous sources are anonymous sources. They don't carry much weight. This story might be true, or not so much, but no scholar would find it credible simply because it is presented here with protestations of the respectability, knowledgeability, and int
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Not off topic. Just honestly wondering. Would anyone be so deranged as to stomp around ranting, "The world would be better off if Spiderman had never been created!"? Weird, man.
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MJ -- your slip is showing! You are the one hating women here. You have mocked them as "crazies" and sneered at them -- for I have no idea what! Not uniformly hating religions as you would have them do? As you do? How original of you -- a guy who gets angry when women insist on having their own responses, experiences, and opinions -- instead of yours. Too bad you never joined. (You neve
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Wow. The second viciously sexist post I have read on this. Are you guys out to prove something? Suddenly the guys on the RfM board are all "Just because we left Mormonism don't you silly girls get any ideas and think we don't have dominion over you! We might be post Mormon, but we are NOT post entitled, post arrogant, nor post better than you silly girls!" Yeah. We are getting the messa
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I guess it's kinda cute you have convinced yourself you are not as afraid of Kate Kelly as the Mormon hierarchy is. But only KINDA.
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Oh geesh, *Dr. Love,* give it a rest! I can't imagine why you think Mormon women would want to go from being lectured and controlled by the Brethren to being lectured and controlled by you! I have already figured out that post Mormonism as defined by the boards is as virulently sexist as the Mormon Church -- I don't need you to show up here to underline and bold it! Do you imagine for one minu
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By the by -- the movie *The Magdalene Sisters* is good -- but very depressing. I also recommend 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days, although that one is set in Romania and won't play into your obsession that ONLY religions are the problem. I also like such offbeat takes on the problem as *Gosford Park.* Sorry I can't explain how I think it ties in without something of a spoiler. Let's just say that th
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