Outside the court room we can't ask the judge to instruct the witness to answer the question. Outside the courtroom we don't have subpoena power. Outside the courtroom we don't have witnesses sworn to tell the truth under penalty of perjury. Outside the court room we usually don't have a expert witnesses who have done a psychological evaluation. Outside the courtroom we don't have forensic ex
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That seems a bit circular. We know the motive from the behavior. How do you know the motive from the behavior? Well we assume a certain motive goes with a certain behavior. And how do you test whether or not you are correct? Well we notice the behavior and from that can see the motive. I think that most people are not aware of their own motives, much less the motives of someone else. In
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July 6, 1830 - Priesthood restoration by Peter, James, and John occurs shortly after dawn near Harmony, Pennsylvania, as Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery are fleeing a mob at Colesville, New York. July 6, 1835 - Michael H. Chandler gives Joseph Smith the following certificate: "KIRTLAND, July 6, 1835. This is to make known to all who may be desirous, concerning the knowledge of Mr. Josep
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John 3:16 the REVISED translation: "For God so hated the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever did NOT believe in him would perish and hot have everlasting life."
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Yes specially given that Oliver had worked as a school teacher. If the translation was given word for word by the stone....er, I mean by the Holy Spirit working through the stone. Then that makes the KJV passages very problematical. Specially given that KJV translation errors crept into the BOM text. But, on the other hand, we are told that Joseph just had the ideas put into his head and
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Heresy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Many also claim that the seer stone and the Urim > and Thumim are the same thing, just different > words. The 'stone' refers to the wondrous crystals > in the U&T. > > Whoa. Yes, and "wine" in the New Testament refers to unfermented grape juice.
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My comment: "When Joseph cheated on her with his secret "plural wives" it must have devastated Emma. She held her head high, though." It's now awaiting "approval." Do you think it will be approved?
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dimmesdale Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Story of the Fast Offerings. > Well, to finish off MY story…the “plan” of > the Area President lasted exactly ONE month. I > don’t know whether the Area President changed > his mind, or whether he moved on, or whether > someone had the courage to tell him it was a > STUPID idea,
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What was missing from the Bible was clarification on a lot of topics that were discussed in Joseph Smith's time and place. Alexander Campbell nailed it in his review of the BOM in 1831: "This prophet Smith, through his stone spectacles, wrote on the plates of Nephi, in his book of Mormon, every error and almost every truth discussed in N. York for the last ten years. He decides all the g
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July 5, 1832 - Second counselor Sidney Rigdon tries to seize control of the church and is disfellowshipped until July 28 when he is re-ordained a high priest. This is the first instance of apostasy by a general authority. July 5, 1835 - Joseph Smith writes: "Soon after this, some of the Saints at Kirtland purchased the mummies and papyrus, . . . I commenced the translation of some of th
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JoD3:360 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Joseph Fielding Smith- > > While the statement has been made by some writers > that the Propher JS used a seerstone part of the > time in his translating of the record, and > information points to the fact that he did have in > his possession such a stone, yet there is no > authentic statem
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Not having to consult any actual manuscripts or do any real translating speeds up the process considerably.
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Nobody knows that, sorry. There is speculation but that's all.
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You could have said that Elisha Otis invented the Otis Safety Elevator, an improvement on existing elevators, in 1852 the year BEFORE ground was broken for the Salt Lake Temple. The next year the Otis Elevator Company was founded. The temple wasn't completed until 1893 and major changes were made during its construction. The story about the elevator shafts being put in before elevators were in
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I think "Ward Stalking Coordinator" is an official calling these days
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"King George he had a date, He stayed up ve-ry late, He was the King, Queen Anne she paced the floor, He stayed 'til half past four, She me-et him at the door, God save the King."
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Amen.
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By the way. The peep stone that Joseph Smith used was found while digging a well for a neighbor, Willard Chase. It belonged to the Chase family and Joseph borrowed it with the promise to return it. The Urim and Thummim was used on the 116 pages that were lost and, according to Emma Smith, the angel then took the U&T back as punishment for losing the 116 pages. When translation started u
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July 4, 1829 - Martin Harris and W. W. Phelps both sign the so-called anti-masonic declaration of independence at Le Roy, N.Y. Both were third degree Masons. July 4, 1838 - First Counselor Sidney Rigdon gives an Independence Day sermon which Joseph Smith publishes as a pamphlet: "And that mob that comes on us to disturb us, it shall be between us and them a war of extermination . . . for
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July 3, 1834 - Joseph Smith disbands Zion's Camp without having rescued Zion. July 3, 1835 - Michael H. Chandler exhibit four Egyptian mummies and at least two rolls of papyrus in Kirtland, Ohio. He then sells the mummies and papyrus scrolls to Joseph Smith who begins to translate them using his white seer stone. His translation is later published as the Book of Abraham. July 3, 1837 - Gr
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Note how Maxwell carefully edits any quotes to eliminate the "stone in the hat" part. From a reading of this one might think "stone" refers to a stone in the Urim and Thummim rather than in a hat. GAs are very adept at using weasel words to say one thing while appearing to say another.
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Russell M. Nelson: http://lds.org/ensign/1993/07/a-treasured-testament?lang=eng Also from the Ensign but by a Church historian instead of an apostle: http://lds.org/ensign/1977/09/by-the-gift-and-power-of-god?lang=eng
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Just to let you know, we are all members of what is called the "DisAffected Mormon Underground" or DAMU, which is pronounced "Damn you."
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July 2, 1788 - THE COLUMBIAN MAGAZINE in Philadelphia Reprints John Smith's letter about Hebrew among the Indians and Charlevoix's Journal of Travels in North America (1761), which states Indians are similar to Jews July 1822 - Zachariah Seymour, the land agent from whom Joseph Smith Sr. and Alvin Smith articled the 100 acres and to whom they made payments, dies. The Smiths almost lose their
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Q: How many Mormons does it take to change a lightbulb? A: Two--one to change the bulb and one to insist that nothing's been changed.
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Short, direct and to the point. Bravo!
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When you leave they act offensive toward you. Then they will say, because of that, that you must have left because you were "offended."
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My brother was a lifelong CES employee. He ended up as an institute director. During that time he, sensing that I was less than totally-committed to Mormonism (now THERE'S an understatement!) wanted to dialogue about the Church with me. Maybe he said he could convince me or maybe I could convince him. We went back and forth for about 5 years in emails. I was amazed at how easily he disrega
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When you have to raise your kids to fit a detailed pre-determined mold then there can easily be "trial children." There are no "trial children" without "trial parents."
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You point out the difficulty in determining the motive for one act when you had a criminal trial where the both sides had subpoena power and a judge and bailiff to force testimony and another side to cross-examine. If it's difficult to determine motive in that situation it's downright impossible in the average situation.
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