I'm so sorry that you had to endure knocking doors for 2 years. I probably would have resorted to sight-seeing for half of the time. A bunch of us learned the undeniable truth that there seemed to be ZERO correlation between righteousness and obedience and success of selling the church and baptizing people. I think Ballard and Packer evaluated the structured pilot program and squashed it. I th
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"There is something about forcing people to be righteous that interferes with, even prohibits, the process that righteousness in a free environment is designed to enable." Yet so many people of the world feel that Mormons force their faith with doing temple work for the dead. At least, that's how relatives of the Holocaust victims see it.
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15 minutes or less (calls only on Christmas and Mother's Day) That was BKP's mind gem that was his rationale for phone calls. He really thought it was an unnecessary economic burden for missionaries to call their families. There's an official church document in Mormonleaks that outlines this church standard.
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Honestly, it's me with my church experiences that are so strange that 90% of members/ex-members are unable to relate to.
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IshmaeltheDeparted Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah Bednar what do you expect from someone who > talks rant in General Conference all the time? Not > Sweet but Bitter that's explains a lot On his > countenance and By the Way He Doesn't like to > smile cause his Facial cheeks are permanently > Disfigurated permanently. There's actually
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In light of the recent ease of the missionary communications ban, I thought that some of you would be interested in how the church could have changed the boring role as a full time missionary. We were never told that we were part of a church pilot program and I didn't connect the dots until I compared missionary experiences with others in my home ward and stake. The missionary experience was
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I think this is a good change. There's no longer a need to isolate a group of young people that are trying to do the impossible with the magic of nothing for a corporation that does nothing for them. I illegally called home whenever I needed to. I used an emergency phone card (Remember MCI and friends?) that gave me peace of mind.
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This was shortly after the church had equalized the cost of all missions so families supporting the higher costs of living (Japan) would be more economically feasible. I can't remember if it was 350, 375 or 400 per month, but I know that I was having to stretch 113 dollars for food, clothing and personal items. The mission kept the rest for rent and utilities. They had a senior missionary couple
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Is the church involved in this because Rusty and the boys have a few on Thursdays in their upstairs party room?
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Some things about the church I understand very well. One thing that blows my mind is the notion that baking a plate of cookies is going to persuade an inactive member to return to the desired "active status.' It simply DOES NOT WORK! So why do they persist in believing-doing something that does not work? Seriously, I never knew of or met a member that had returned to activity becau
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How many members have lived thrifty and saved each penny and went without so those GA's could go around in style? Do you think they (GAs bags) fly economy fare, stay in budget motels and eat modestly? Hell no! But that's the perception that they sell. Lots of naive members buy into that as well. So many members pay a good chunk to send their missionary children so they can live in filth
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Well isn't Bednar considered to be creepy? Let's see he belittles his wife in public, denies that gays exist within the church and delights in holding boys while telling them they're going to sin and never reach heaven.
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I think a lot of members are excellent at speaking of helping others, but only a few members are capable of showing love. I had several missionary companions that were so scary. One minute they bragged about how much they loved to run over (hit) a dog that happened to be asleep in the road and the next minute they were gushing over the atonement of Christ at an investigator's house; complete w
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There's no interest in new members unless members are assigned to be a friend. Salvation is regarded as a personal endeavor. Even the idea of family exaltation is based on every single person living righteously. There is no talk of congregations, wards or stakes being exalted. Very true about being dumped after the "baptizers" leave. Other missionaries have little interest in main
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I subjected myself to the worthy-not worthy for some 30 years. It's unfathomable to those looking in at Mormonism, but it was 100% normal and expected as a member of the church. It starts young in primary, then really picks up steam in your youth. The extra helping gets added if a church mission is chosen. It really becomes ingrained so you become irrational and no longer trust yourself to make c
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Dew the He-Man Wendy the Walking Warrior
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Eric3 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Which is interesting. > > Church power gets pretty small when met with clear > and principled limits. For the longest time, the church got away with conditioning members to accept callings that they could not possibly fulfill. It was part of the brainwashing because you couldn't say "No". It was
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The church has nothing to offer. I think many members have realized several things. I think they have seen people that were active in the church leave and that those "deserters" have not experienced some sort of epic calamity from not keeping their church covenants. Secondly, the church is not a nice place to be even if you no longer believe. Third, many of the Generation X and Y haven'
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I was assigned to the worst, if not laziest missionary in the mission. It was a fitting punishment according to my mission president. I broke missionary rules by driving the sisters' mission vehicle (without permission) in order to bring food to hungry missionaries on a Sunday. This guy didn't care. He drank Pepsi by the tanker truck, was a real slob and had a girlfriend that he called every
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And that's the type of institution that I expected to attend; one that trusted you to take care of your business while you were trained (indoctrinated). For crying out loud, I had already attended a year at college and was well versed in meeting others. I thought that it would be a similar experience (with less fun) and boy was I wrong! The MTC was run like some kind of boot camp for juvenile del
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I think Rusty is setting up a foundation for his buddy, Hoax to rule. We know that they are friends and I think the current policies are 100% approved by the lawyer. Both of them have been pompous asses from the moment they were set apart as apostles.
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Cool story. I wish the place wouldn't have so controlling. I think we even had to sign ourselves in and out on P-day to cross the street to use the recreational field or to walk uphill to the Provo temple. I ended up at the mall to because my my companion had to see some kind of medical specialist. Afterwards, we had about 45 min to an hour to kill before the MTC van came to pick us up. My dwe
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nonmo_1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "-You get too much mail." > > Meaning TOO MANY people care for and/or love > you??? > You can only have a "certain amount" of people and > corresponding mail as a reflection of this? This was from the guidelines in their "white bible" or missionary handbook that DICT
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How about death before dishonor? I hated those morality tales (that I've since learned that are bunk). I think the more common one used in the church was "It's better to come home (from a mission) in a pine box than to come home early." Do you know what it was like to listen to young men and women say that this was the greatest time of their life and they wouldn't mind if it was
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What do you remember from MTC days long gone by, did you have good leadership? Absolutely not. It was "if your companion is breaking MTC rules, then you're at fault." I was told that over and over. I was assigned a young man that had ZERO patience or respect for me. He literally took off on his own. Yet, I was the one that took the heat. "Hey elder, where's your companion?"
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I will always be smarter than you because I am always right.
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Well there was a tone that was not very friendly right before it was hacked or tanked. Maybe it was a game, but there were multiple threads about having sex with your bishop and stake president and other church leaders. I don't consider myself a prude. I just didn't open or read those threads. It became a site where most of the content could be labeled as NSFW. Sometimes there were porn links
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"Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong," President Oaks said, "regardless of what is said or done by movie idols, TV personalities or sports stars." He repeated the church's position on avoiding tattoos, piercings, immodesty and pornography, calling such things "grafitti on your personal temple." And how does the world see/view their LDS temples that are
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I wanted to clarify their time on their time on the internet. Like launching ddos attacks on popular anti-church websites that harm their image.
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Mr. Clean Any of the FP could be placed on the bottle.
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