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2 months ago
NormaRae
This article did mention the thing people seem to be forgetting-that the speech was targeted to BYU faculty snd staff, not students. He was lambasting employees who are LGBTQ allies for students. He’s calling out compassion not the “same gender challenge.” That’s why I hate that these stupid Mormons keep saying he was showing love. No. Telling people NOT to let struggling students, some
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2 months ago
NormaRae
Well I attempt to keep my religious and/or political opinions to sites like this or liberal sites where people would expect to find them. On these sites, people who are offended by it would have to purposely go looking for it, in which case I don't care if they're offended. Everything I post here is seen by family members who just need to have something to gossip about. But they purposely look f
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2 months ago
NormaRae
OK, so when did they (or formerly WE) care about how stupid we look(ed) to anyone outside of mormonism? It's so funny looking at it from the outside in and thinking "did I even HAVE a brain?" but most of us seriously tried to convince ourselves that we looked somewhat normal when we were on the inside. Surprise! We didn't. This is not to say that there aren't mormons who I love and
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2 months ago
NormaRae
Yeah, and the same people who looked down their noses at people with double piercings or tattoos, because the so-called prophet said not to do that, are the ones who will argue the big cheese is only giving his personal opinion on the subject of vaccines. Now, which one would God be more likely to have actually weighed in on if He were going to speak so one of the old geezers? Life saving preca
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2 months ago
NormaRae
Double Darwinism. The majority of people dying from Covid now are anti-vaxxers. Perfect example of Darwinism right there. Add to that, the ones who do get it and want to take horse meds, which render some of them sterile, are also anti-vaxxers. I am not against the idea of certain people thinning their own herd. It's just the fact that unvaccinated minors (whether they're eligible for the vacci
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2 months ago
NormaRae
That was the ONLY reason my father sent his daughters to college in Utah (or to Ricks). And he made sure we understood that. Never once--not one single time did he ever call me and say "how are your classes going?" or "how are your grades?" It was "are you dating?"
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2 months ago
NormaRae
"Free electricity for the gay kids." I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess both. And I've thought the same thing that maybe in the long run it will be better if they just keep showing their true colors. I mean, it can't be THAT long, at least for Oaks. But then again, we've seen what kind of damage nonagenarians can do in the church. And for those who say "you're out
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2 months ago
NormaRae
Well, he is speaking out of both sides of his jowls when he first proclaims “we love you, I have cried a river of tears for you, you are welcome at BYU,” and then out the other jowl it’s “don’t speak about it, especially in the context of being a proud BYU student, don’t EVER touch someone you’re attracted to in any way-not in the ways straight students are allowed, and do NOT seek
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2 months ago
NormaRae
I’m so sorry Gemini. If anyone needs to school ol Jeffery, it’s you! Your family has been at ground zero of this issue for many years. The ranks of gays at BYU is not just limited to students. I was just reading a FB post from a mother who lost her gay son to suicide. She quoted Elder Uchtdorf (sp?) and apparently (I haven’t verified the quote), his words about the condemnation of LGBT
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2 months ago
NormaRae
After reading articles in The SL Trib, the Deseret News, and online posts from exmo or progressive mormon sources and links that TBM family members and friends have posted about Jeff's talk to BYU staff, I felt I needed more real info. So I 1) looked up and read the entire actual talk by Holland, 2) looked up and watched Matt Easton's 2019 Commencement speech, 3) read Matt's open letter to Jeff
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3 months ago
NormaRae
About 10 years ago I was on the search committee for a new minister for our (Unitarian) church. We settled on two candidates that we brought in for a full candidating week, along with their spouses/partners. One was a guy with a gay partner (now husband) and he told us his partner was mormon. Naturally, I couldn't wait to meet him. When I did, everybody would laugh because the two of us talked
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3 months ago
NormaRae
Exactly THIS. I only went through temple endowment ceremonies 5 times in the 15 years between getting my own endowments and resigning my membership. And they were all in the first 4 years and before they took out the death oaths and other Masonic shit. I kept a recommended for quite awhile to attend weddings. But I kept thinking I’d eventually feel good about it. Or I’d feel that peace people
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3 months ago
NormaRae
I’ll mask up when there are minors around. Unless the stats change on how sick vaccinated people get, I’m not gonna worry about unvaccinated adults. I know there are ones with legitimate reasons to not vaccinate, but they are few. The majority of others are the kind of people who the world could use fewer of anyway. Let them thin their own herd. Yeah go ahead, flame me.
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3 months ago
NormaRae
Obviously Dunn never played ANY professional baseball. I had a former best friend whose sister was married to Dunn’s nephew. The family knew there was no truth to his stories. But that family (Dunn’s siblings and father)had skeletons bursting out of the closet. And ya gotta wonder how much mental illness could lie underneath. One thing I’ve learned is that it’s hard to know where some peo
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3 months ago
NormaRae
Tal Bachman has a large family.
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3 months ago
NormaRae
I was going to say the same thing. Paul Dunn wasn’t a liar either. He was just teaching lessons through parables. Although they made him an emeritus rather quickly to take the focus off his li… I mean “parables.” I don’t think they’ll do the emeritus prophet thing. Rusty will be out of commission soon.
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3 months ago
NormaRae
I remember getting into this with our Institute teacher in Cali in the 70s. It was still the days of Lamanite Placement Program. This guy would travel 60 miles once a week to do Institute for the kids going to our remote Community College. He was full-time CES employee and was such a quack. He’d probably be a top apologist today if he hadn’t croaked young. He was saying that Kimball notic
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3 months ago
NormaRae
Don’t confuse those denominations. What people think of as “Church of Christ,” yes, the one that doesn’t allow musical instruments, is big in my neck of the woods-the Mid-South and Northern parts of the Confederacy. It is the sect started by Joseph Campbell (sometimes referred to as Campbellites). It formed out of the 19th century Restoration Movement as did Mormonism. There are even some
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4 months ago
NormaRae
Stephen Colbert had fun with him in last night’s monologue. Mormonism is comedy and satire that writes itself.
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4 months ago
NormaRae
I occasionally attend an Episcopalian church. If you partake of Holy Eucharist, you can ask for a gluten-free wafer.
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4 months ago
NormaRae
My father's family is from Eastern Oregon and I spent a big part of most of my summers there as a kid. Northeast Oregon is such a beautiful place and still a pretty affordable place to live if you don't care to live where there's no culture. Still, I do often think about trying to retire there. But it is as redneck and backwards as the South. In fact, much more than the are of the Bible Belt I
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4 months ago
NormaRae
One would think that it would be really hard for people who consider themselves to be scientists to accept the Biblical narrative of the 6,000 or so-year-old human species creationism, let alone want to believe that when the creation happened, God put two white people on Earth to start it. So I'm in college in 1973, taking vertebrate zoology (at the community college where my father taught p
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4 months ago
NormaRae
I’ve been thinking about that a lot too. I tried to think about whether my childhood/teen years were as trepidatious as my grandchildren’s. The worries at that time were the Vietnam era draft and the Cold War. And those were not small things. But short of the country being nuked, I never had to worry about the climate dangerously changing the entire world or whether we’d have water or if s
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5 months ago
NormaRae
I hear ya. I was scammed basically out of my retirement by someone I gave birth to. And I don't know if I'll ever be able to stop beating myself up. The best advice I got was from my therapist who made me ask myself how I would have felt if I had done nothing to help him when he was in a dire situation (although not the dire one I was led to believe he was in) and he had lost his life through s
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5 months ago
NormaRae
Sometimes my mother would make a really nice picnic lunch - like fried chicken and potato salad and that's what we'd eat on our blanket on the lawn. But we kids were put out because we wanted to buy the boxes like everyone else had--like a sandwich, apple and chocolate chip cookie. Now what I wouldn't give for someone to cook me fried chicken and potato salad. It's like how I hated it when my
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5 months ago
NormaRae
When I was a teenager, my father told me if I brought a (**awful word for Black guy**) home, I'd be horsewhipped. Having been what came as close to horsewhipped as you can get when I was 12, I knew that he was serious. And it wasn't just because they couldn't hold the priesthood at that time. He was such a bigot. All it did was make me very attracted to Black guys. Still am. But man, my fanta
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5 months ago
NormaRae
My grandmother was a heavy tea drinker. She had heart problems from her 40s on and was diabetic. She got married in the temple but they never went back because she could not get a recommend because of her tea drinking. Everyone thought my grandfather would outlive her but it was the other way around. She thought it was funny that she outlived the doctor who told her she'd be dead in five years,
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5 months ago
NormaRae
No. We used to have to go to Stake Conference every three months. Back when they'd have 2 sessions of it and they'd sell box lunches (on Sunday) in between sessions and we'd eat it on the lawn of the church. But I digress. Anyway, every time we'd go and had to drive over that road I'd get sick. It was truly a roller coaster.
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5 months ago
NormaRae
Was stake Beehive slumber parties a churchwide thing or just California? My first year we were still in the stake centered in Palmdale. I just remember that we were up all night so we were sleeping in the back of the station wagon my mom was driving on the way home. Over the old Palmdale (Roller Coaster) Road. We all puked. Second year the stake had split and we were in our own town and I rem
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5 months ago
NormaRae
Is there a chance that she's no longer active mormon? I haven't heard about her doing those choir/testimony things in ages.
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