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10 years ago
robertb
I'm a practicing psychotherapist and I have had a handful of clients for whom an antidepressant increased their agitation and anger and they had to stop taking that medication. So, no, it is not a myth that medication *can* increase suicide risk, as agitation is a big risk factor for suicide. It doesn't happen often and often those people can take another medication without having severe side-eff
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10 years ago
robertb
The effort to harmonize the accounts of the First Vision reminds me of efforts to harmonize the Gospels. It can't be done without seriously violating and distorting the individual texts. But, of course, they try, because, as you say, we can't have anything complicated.
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10 years ago
robertb
Perhaps she needs to calm down and will think better of her course of action. Sometimes people need to sort things out. It isn't pretty, though.
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10 years ago
robertb
Ugh. That just fucking hurts. Take care of yourself and ride it out. You deserve a better relationship.
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10 years ago
robertb
Dammit, Kerry.
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10 years ago
robertb
releve Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Cleaned the bathrooms. > Ha! So you did go to church! :-)
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10 years ago
robertb
UU today for the final sermon by our lead minister, who is retiring. I will miss him. He'll be opening a counseling practice in the near future and perhaps I will see if he can help me work out a few things in myself. Some shopping, some Facebook time, some reading, some housework, otherwise. Need to call my mom, who had her gall bladder out and see how she's doing, especially with the heat.
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10 years ago
robertb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE
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10 years ago
robertb
The people in the branch of the northern CA town where I converted were very tolerant and caring. It's not that way everywhere in the Mormon kingdom. I never did attach to any other group in the church the way I did them. I think that had a lot to do with me, but it also had to do with the exhausting requirements of simply trying to be a worthy member. I don't think I could have even consider
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10 years ago
robertb
by R. Joseph Hoffmann. I found his comments on the changes in the theory and motivation for marriage to enlightening. He says, essentially that the primary purpose of marriage in religion is procreation in order to ensure survival of the group. When survival was not long an issue, we developed the romantic theory of marriage. Although he sees Mormon polygamy within that framework I am not sure th
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10 years ago
robertb
Welcome, otedge. My experience with members, including local leadership, was overwhelmingly positive. Teachings, policies, attitudes, politics, and history of the organization were another matter, but I became aware of those and my own feelings about them over time. What angers me about the church depends on the level I focus on. It's good to have your perspective as someone who was invol
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10 years ago
robertb
Oh, now, you're just unhappy because you are suffering from Shaken Faith Syndrome. :p
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10 years ago
robertb
I can vouch for what good company and conversationalist RJ is. Glad you are feeling better.
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10 years ago
robertb
I think we are making the same point :-)
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10 years ago
robertb
What I am attempting to say is the rationale for the Mormon Church to require celibacy from gays was that gays are not married, because sex is only acceptable within marriage. Now that gays can marry, if the church punishes married gay couples for having sex, then it is clear the issue really is not their marital status but their status as gay. I am saying that the issue of gays not being mar
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10 years ago
robertb
These rulings put some pressure on the proclamation. The Mormon Church finds itself yet further behind progress in a more enlightened society. They need a "revelation."
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10 years ago
robertb
So, essentially, it is not about sex within marriage, as apologist like to explain. It is anti-gay prejudice pure and simple, if this is what they would do. Not that it would surprise anyone.
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10 years ago
robertb
No. Ukiah, CA. But you know how the church prides itself on operating the same way everywhere . . . .
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10 years ago
robertb
Unless it's tolerance for his intolerance, of course.
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10 years ago
robertb
This was an issue before today's Supreme Court rulings but I just now thought of it. So if you are a gay Mormon married couple, will the church come after you if have sex? What about sex in states that allow gay marriage? States that don't? A musing. Has this been discussed. I'm overjoyed today not to be part of *that* church.
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10 years ago
robertb
It's just so "troubling" to the Mormon Church that it can't dictate its preferences to everyone else. I am overjoyed today I'm not part of that "troubling" racist, sexist, phobic, selfish, narcissistic organization.
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10 years ago
robertb
baura Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > If you have problems with living a moral life you > don't lack > religion; you lack empathy. I like that. In much the same way, Mormons substitute "revelation" for empathy, which is why they have been so slow on some social issues. I wonder if the originating morals in God isn't a consequence o
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10 years ago
robertb
Haidt makes the argument for "moral intuitions" that evolved as part of our become social beings. The reviewer does a fairly good job of reviewing the book. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/25/books/review/the-righteous-mind-by-jonathan-haidt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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10 years ago
robertb
Garments are a wearable Slip N Slide.
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10 years ago
robertb
You might take your brother aside and talk to him, if you haven't already. Tell him his feelings and interest are normal, and for God's sake to be more discreet :p
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10 years ago
robertb
Listen. Be helpful and encouraging where you can, church aside. If you talk and listen to them and offer help with the motive of getting them out of the church, they will sense that just like you sense the motives of LDS who are trying to covertly persuade you.
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10 years ago
robertb
I guess technically Crystal and I are a "part-member family." Let them visit. It would be fun. Last time we were visited, she opened the door in a house dress with nothing underneath and not as buttoned up as could have been. This caused stammering and stuttering, to my great amusement. This stuff they are doing is all old stuff. They were talking about it when I left the church 25
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10 years ago
robertb
I wonder if this will be a recycle of "Lengthen Your Stride?" One of the well-known ways to increase someone's commitment to a cause is for them to convert others to the cause. So, same old thing.
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10 years ago
robertb
Oh, this brings back an embarrassing memory. When I was a BYU student, just new in the church, we had an announcement from our BYU branch president that Erza Taft Benson, the President of the Quorum of the Twelve, had a message just for us. Well, we were all a-buzz with speculation: Are we returning to Missouri (never mind I'd never been to Missouri to start)? Is is a new revelation? On and on.
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10 years ago
robertb
I am linking to an interesting Slate article on why 99 percent of human progress has happened in the past 10,000 years. Made me feel very fortunate. http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/2013/06/21/human_advancement_why_has_so_much_of_our_progress_come_so_recently.html
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