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5 months ago
blindguy
The U.S. Constitution is just words on a piece of paper. If a majority, or even a large minority of its citizens, decides that it no longer applys to them, then the jig is up and you can kiss the document and what it stands for goodbye. Regarding the separation of church and state, this is a view of the Constitution's First Amendment held by many qualified historians, experts, and just plain n
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5 months ago
blindguy
Elderolddog wrote in part: "Look, just because you thought "lighter was brighter" doesn't mean there weren't Laurels who thought "Darker was..." Let's rewrite this. "Look, just because you thought "lighter was brighter" doesn't mean there weren't Laurels who thought "Brown was for gettin' down." (When I was in high school in the late 1
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5 months ago
blindguy
First of all, welcome to this forum. There is a lot of information available from ex-Mormons and sometimes never-Mormons (I'm in the latter category) that may be of interest to you concerning the religion your older sister converted to. Second, I have been around this site and others since 2007 (I was considering dating an LDS woman at the time) and I have never heard that Joseph Smith ever pr
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5 months ago
blindguy
...I remember being told quite a while back that Catholic bishops and popes chose the books used in the Old and New Testaments, not for their factual basis, but rather for the ideas these people wanted to get across. It is suspected for example, that the gospel of Thomas found in Egypt was one of the books that was not included in the Bible because its messages did not match the Machiavellian mes
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5 months ago
blindguy
I'm not looking forward to the laying of foreign hands on my eyes to try to get me to see. Yikes!
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5 months ago
blindguy
Brother of Jerry wrote in part: "Apparently the reasoning behind this is that polling has indicated that a great many people in North America are no longer even passingly familiar with the teachings of Jesus, so a baseline familiarity with Jesus' teachings must be established." Gee! As far as I know, there are no other U.S. religions using polling data to determine what story they
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5 months ago
blindguy
...plus, he's 99 years old now.
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5 months ago
blindguy
Is it better to burn out Or just fate away. (with anod to Neil Young's "Hey Hey My My ")
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5 months ago
blindguy
One item that might apply here is that NPR and others have reported that the current head of the FDA (whose name I forget now) is much more willing to take on noncomplying industries (including this one) than her predecessors.
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5 months ago
blindguy
The article whose direct link is supplied by Summer, is long and excellent. If more articles like this showed up in the U.S. mainstream press, then the Arizona ruling might ultimately become an exception, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints may finally face what the Roman Catholic church is legally facing now in regard to this issue.
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5 months ago
blindguy
My biggest problem with the dietary supplements industry was, is, and continues to be the lack of regulation. Dietary supplement suppliers make a lot of health claims about their products (sometimes specific) and yet there are no required scientific tests to back up those claims. There is also a second issue with that industry. Dietary supplement suppliers make a lot of claims about what and h
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5 months ago
blindguy
L.A. Exmo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "'I am shocked that he has sent this email > thinking he can simply decide he can just not > appear,' said Baskin." > > "Shocked"? Where do they find these judges? Don't > they follow the news? How can she not know the > history of the Bundy tribe's contempt for the law, &
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5 months ago
blindguy
Outside of Mormonism, the big thing about traditional funerals is the cost. We paid just over $11,000 last year to bury my mom, much of which was raised from other family members. And that didn't include the grave (that came from the local veterans cemetery for free because her husband, my father, served in Korea). Given the current incomes of many in the U.S., I think that there are a whole lot
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5 months ago
blindguy
...is that life has no purpose or meaning other than the purpose and meaning you give to it.
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5 months ago
blindguy
GNPE wrote in part: "this 'law', written or unwritten, needs to be Changed asap;" Yes, I agree. If memory serves, it is a written law on the books and it was primarily the Roman Catholic church who sought it. I learned about it when I was in parochial high school during the late 1970s, meaning that the law was in place long before the controversial issues about the Catholic church
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5 months ago
blindguy
...that counseling is the preferred method of change over shock (electrocution) therapy.
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5 months ago
blindguy
while I have no (good) advice as to how to treat the rest of your family, I will recommend that, if you can stomach it, consider going to the closest vocational rehabilitation services office in your state. Under current U.S. laws, those state organizations are supposed to assist those disabled people who wish to find employment in the field of their choice. And that in turn may assist with some
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5 months ago
blindguy
The Moronie roller coaster ride where you get a glimpse of the celestial kingdom during one of its flips; The Joseph Smith and Brigham Memorial auction held at almost any time daily. It's based on the old Disneyland pirates ride model that used tapes of "Clench a Wench." However, this one would be live with a Brigham Young look-alike auctioning off women from the audience to the high
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5 months ago
blindguy
You can offer them anything you want to. the questions would be: 1) would they accept the offer; 2) would their zone leader take the gift certificate away from them when he learned of its existance; and 3) would the missionaries view your generosity as an invite for more proseletizing. Since my suspicions as to the answers would be 1) no; 2) yes; and 3) yes, I think it would be best to keep yo
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5 months ago
blindguy
...though it's clear from the source that car radios, while available, were not widespread in the U.S. at the time of the first airing of "War Of The Worlds."
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5 months ago
blindguy
The last paragraph from the quote of the East Idaho News article would never have occurred except for Idaho's new anti-abortion law. That said, I agree with you that the behavior of her boyfriend and his mother was not above board and was also very shameful.
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5 months ago
blindguy
While I partially agree with you (we do tend to believe what we want to believe regardless of the facts), I should point out that at the time of the original broadcast, there were no radios in cars and no portable radios. In other words, those who fled their homes because of the "Martian invasion" had no way of hearing the end of the story once they jumped into their cars and headed for
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5 months ago
blindguy
From this article there is a link to an NPR piece on Norman Vincent Peale. From that article comes the following: "Peale always was a conservative, inclined to praise the American way of life and the capitalist economics he saw as key to prosperity. But he was an establishment man, not a reactionary or a panderer to conspiracy theories. In the mid-1930s, he denounced such demagogic fig
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5 months ago
blindguy
Sadly, I think that most of us knew this was coming. https://jessica.substack.com/p/idahos-first-abortion-trafficking?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
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5 months ago
blindguy
...with a brutal take on poverty https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/28/2201563/-While-U-S-church-attendance-has-dropped-prosperity-gospel-has-risen-with-a-brutal-take-on-poverty/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email I was very impressed with this article/editorial on the growth of the so-called Prosperity Gospel and why it's not Biblically sanctioned. From the article I'll quote t
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5 months ago
blindguy
...but there was a popular song with that title from 1966 sung by Cher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyBHZc9rK4 Given the song's lyrics, it will never become a hymn for any religion, but I think it rather aptly describes most marriages of the time, both in- and outside of Mormonism. Let's hear it for the patriarchy! (Not!)
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5 months ago
blindguy
...some consider the original of the song cited to be disco, while others don't. I tend to fall in to the latter category as the song does not have a continuously thumping bass drum line like, say, The Hues Corporation's "Rock The Boat," which Billboard magazine considers to be the first disco recording to reach number one on the pop charts. Fun fact about the original version of thi
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5 months ago
blindguy
Anybody wrote in part: "In America and other former British North American colonies, you can't be part black. This was once legal, but some people still believe in this." Interesting. On many forms now, including the U.S. Census form, there are choices for "mixed race" and "not willing to say."
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5 months ago
blindguy
Well, it would depend on the crime, right? I imagine that in most misdemeanors, you would be fined a certain amount with hikes in the amount fined for any subsequent violations. With felonies, I think everything is up for grabs, including every one of the possible behaviors listed by others above. The question then becomes what would be considered a misdemeanor and what would be considered a f
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5 months ago
blindguy
Bruce wrote in part: "The Muslim Brotherhood is a radical Islamic organization which took over Egypt and has said openly it wishes to take over the west." Correction. The Muslim Brotherhood, while astrong force in Egypt. does not run the government there. In fact, the current Egyptian government headed by the military considers the group to be a terrorist organization.
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