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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I don't think he was a 'sex addict' because that term has no meaning: http://thehumanist.com/magazine/july-august-2012/features/youre-addicted-to-what However he was a man who wanted sex with many women and was very successful in obtaining it. In evolutionary terms he would be a great man, except that he seemed to have very few descendants from his seed spreading endeavors.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Hah well said. His talks remind me of the content-free song in 1984: "'It was only an 'opeless fancy,/It passed like an Ipril dye,/But a look an' a word an' the dreams they stirred,/They 'ave stolen my 'eart awye!'" (Orwell 138). Orwell says it was composed "without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator." But you have to admit, t
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Oops sorry I didn't see this and posted a duplicate. Not sure how to take it down.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Said by Neil Anderson in phood session.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I saw the thread from Brandywine about this article: http://ldsmag.com/helping-our-children-choose-heterosexuality/ And I clicked the link to find it. Lo and behold it is gone! I can't find it anywhere. Did they pull it due to the attention received here? Did they get orders from above to pull it? I really wanted to read the damned article just to see how batshit crazy the meridian magaz
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Fasacinating stuff. I am intrigued by BRM. He seems to me like on of the last of the true believers in the glorious restoration. Did he exude an air of authroitarian dogmatic testosterone charged domination in private like he did in public? Or was he more personable and down to earth one on one?
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Rasband and Allan F. Packer. Also, Sherri Dew.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Wait, this guy wrote the Abe-Lincoln-Freed-the-slaves-because-of-the-Book-of-Mormon book?! Probably the stupidest thesis I have ever heard. It's like Einstein came up with relativity because someone dropped off JW literature on his doorstep the month before. What a douche.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I just heard of this guy Tim Ballard. My TBM DW went to a women's conference and he was a keynote speaker. Apparently he had all the ladies in a swoon over his manly exploits in rescuing sex slaves in 3rd world countries. It seems he was a just another happily employed melchizedek priesthood holder in the CIA when God called him (by means of a voice in the temple of course) to save children
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
After I stopped believing in the church I got a new job. Better than the last one. It was really weird how it worked out. Must be confirmation that I am on the right path, and that God thinks I am 100% right in my opinions, and that I am special-er than other people.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Haha Terryl not Terry
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
The Givens are the biggest proponents of the whole "belief is just a choice so choose it" position. That's really what that book amounts to. I'm pretty certain that Fiona at least knows the entire thing is nonsense. But I don't think Terrl is all that quick of wit. He likes to write flowery phrases mostly. Pretty tediously overwritten stuff that says very little.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
^^^^HAHAH This video on fasting is possibly the dumbest lesson this very embarrassingly awkaward man has ever taught. What the hell was the great lesson he learned?? How does this man's mind operate? I can't even tell you how discordant that is. It's like he's a self righteous Michael Scott from he office or something because he makes no sense.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Ouch! That might be the hardest thing a parent like me could hear to hear. Hang in there until he figures it out!
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
How about starting with Ezra Taft Benson's grandson Steve. Obviously due to "inadequate gospel teaching in the home".
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Kind of a follow up to the previous thread about the 5th Sunday meeting. I was texting my brother about it and he told me that the whole "blame the parents for the kids going apostate" ruse came from a Bednar "training" on keeping the Sabbath holy. He (my brother) found this awesome blog about it: http://www.wheatandtares.org/18840/beat-the-parents/ I just don't know ho
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Allen F. Packer. Oldest son of Boyd K. Packer. And from everything I can tell about this guy, he is a chip off the old block. Why do I think this? He is on the front page of the LDS.org website, with this article: https://www.lds.org/liahona/2015/08/heavenly-fathers-fixed-standards?cid=HP_FR_8-21-2015_dPTH_fLHNA_xLIDyL2-1_&lang=eng Full of the same tough talk/reality-denying/out
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I love that line^^ I was also struck by two questions after hearing the training: 1. Why Sabbath observance? Why not scripture study, prayer, FHEs, etc.? What does keeping the Sabbath have to do with it? 2. Do they REALLY mean that there are no hard and fast rules about Sabbath observance? Is this a real policy shift toward member autonomy, or just another way to guilt trip people into m
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I went to church yesterday and heard the special 5th Sunday "training". It was, to the best of my recollection, as follows: 1. The church is losing members to inactivity and apostasy. The majority are youth between the ages of baptism and endowment. 2. The reason for this loss of youth is primarily "inadequate teaching in the home." 3. Especially, the lack of Sabbath
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Great to see your post boner! You should check out the latest Mormon stories podcast. It's about exactly this and the person interviewed dr Dave Christian had serious debts and misgivings because of it. Maybe the seeds of apostasy being sewn haha.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Addiction is sometimes defined as the persistent use of a substance despite the negative consequences. Opiates will destroy your life. Stay the hell away from them.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
This was said to me by a TBM brother. I would love any good ideas for a reply.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Haha this is perfect. You have captured my sacred epiphany in song. My next FHE opening hymn.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
...since I am a male I realized that these two little guys destroy the entire eternal progression paradigm. These aren't vestigial mammary glands, they are a refutation! What the hell are we men nippled for? Especially since the church teaches that "gender is eternal" and we can't switch back and forth in the eternities. From now on I will be tempted to flash a nipple at anyone w
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Here are 41: http://utlm.org/booklist/titles/41uniqueteachingsoftheldschurch_ub052.htm
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Great thread Steve. Thanks again. I have another question for you about your grandfather. Today in church they presented him as a loving and doting husband and father. Yet it seems to me he could not have been home very often due to his calling and political demands. What kind of father and husband and grandfather was he?
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
This is awesome info, Steve, and thank you for posting it! I haven't read the Dew biography, but I was listening to a Mormon Expression podcast on ETB and wonder if some things they said were true. They said that ETB was sent to Europe to get him out of the United States because he was causing embarrassment to the church with his political rants. Is this the real reason he was made European
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
A marvelous gift known as *vaticinium ex eventu*--prophecy after the fact.
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
Changed the title of post and now it more accurately reflects why I posted this: "If I know your sect, I anticipate your argument. I hear a preacher announce for his text and topic the expediency of one of the institutions of his church. Do I not know beforehand that not possibly can he say a new and spontaneous word? Do I not know that, with all this ostentation of examining the grounds
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8 years ago
generationofvipers
I've been asked this by TBM relative. It made me wonder, why am I pissed that the church has been releasing these essays and pictures of seer stones? I should be glad, nay rejoicing to be vindicated. They are admitting what we have all known for so long. I don't really understand my own response. One answer I thought of is that they still take no responsibility and they still offer no ap
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