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6 weeks ago
mrx
I noticed that California has almost 800,000 LDS members "on the books". Actives? possibly only a quarter million. . . . The number of LDS members in California could quite possibly nosedive in future decades. Due to incompetent politicians, the state is not run by geniuses, but by bungling fools. Many people are leaving California. Many LDS members are leaving as well.
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6 weeks ago
mrx
So out of 16.6 million "on the books" maybe 4.4 million active or somewhat active (a bit over 25%) Guessing Utah 2 million "on the books" and 1 million active States close to Utah: forget Colorado (my state- just tiny % LDS) Wyoming, Idaho, Nevada, Arizona - guess 500,000 active? out of 1.2 million members Only 22 out of 50 states have 1% LDS or more "on the books&qu
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3 months ago
mrx
3. Kolob
ahhhh . . . if only I could hie to Kolob . . . Bruce R. McConkie (the smartest human being who ever lived) explains that Kolob is mentioned in the Book of Abraham (incredible papyrii actually written by the hand of Abraham) and Kolob is the star nearest to God. Kolob means first creation. Spirit beings and immortal persons live in eternity, mortal men live in time. Eternity goes on forever and
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3 months ago
mrx
How about this one: My wife's brother claims that he had a visionary dream where he was actually visited by the deceased father and deceased brother. He received the message that they were doing fine in the spirit world, and looked forward to the future where the whole clan (sealed together in LDS temples) could be together and eventually reside in the celestial kingdom. Then it got weird.
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3 months ago
mrx
5. Jordan
just a possibility: Maybe Jordan totally avoids the topic of religion so he can keep up a relationship with parents. Maybe parents strongly suggest that Jordan shun Aaron, because Aaron freely speaks about religion and many other topics.
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3 months ago
mrx
RODGERS - NFL MVP 2020 season (& other prior seasons) Career Super Bowl wins: one Packers made playoffs most of the time with Rodgers as QB. First round playoff record: 7 wins 3 losses Winning 70% of career first round playoff games is considered really good. Rodgers is stuck in Green Bay, and strongly disagrees with management about various issues. He probably wants to be traded (hopefu
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4 months ago
mrx
There's jackmormons in Utah, but not any Mormons any more. The dedicated types take Uncle Russ's orders seriously, and so they consider themselves Latter-day Saints and not Mormons.
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4 months ago
mrx
Zion's National Park is immensely popular and for good reason- the spectacular scenery is unique on the entire planet - nothing quite the same anywhere else. and some other Utah places are spectacularly beautiful and not found elsewhere.
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4 months ago
mrx
9. CO
Colorado is better, but Utah is a really good place. How many 14ers in Utah? . . . not very many
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4 months ago
mrx
Marcus Morris scored 24 points for the LA Clippers in the blowout game 4 victory over the Utah Jazz. When asked if his twin brother Markieff Morris would be travelling to SLC to watch game 5, Marcus responded: HELL NO - I don't know anyone who wants to go to Utah . . . . Years ago when the Warriors were dominant and could beat just about any team, the Warriors players were asked if the
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9 months ago
mrx
Most likely, 2020 - 2021 will be seen as the high water point of the COJCOLDS. It will likely be a steady, declining downhill trajectory for the future of "the church". https://kjzz.com/news/local/lds-church-membership-growth-slowed-in-utah-in-2019 Pre-pandemic 2019 saw the lowest LDS growth in Utah. Post-pandemic 2022 will mark the beginning of the slow and steady decline of Morm
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1 year ago
mrx
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/9/8/21427908/trial-court-does-school-have-to-provide-girls-tackle-football Eventually . . to the . . .future virtually every sport will potentially have boys and girls leagues. Wrestling - girls want their own wrestling season football - girls football coming to a HS near you Boys play baseball - girls play softball Why not boys playing softball & g
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1 year ago
mrx
Gaylen Rust . . . "a smooth talker" who "made people believe what he wanted them to believe"!!!! gee whiz . . . can anybody think of a person from 1830s and 1840s who was able to do that????
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1 year ago
mrx
First my Egyptian joke: why did the Egyptian Kings stop building great monuments? They found out that the whole thing was a big pyramid scheme https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/9/8/21427396/fraud-utah-ponzi-scheme-rust-rare-coin-federal-prison The article indicates that over 700 investors lost over $150 million, but the total lost is believed to be over $200 million. Some $$$ has been / wi
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1 year ago
mrx
Camping on top of Longs Peak would be interesting. Expecting 14 inches snow tomorrow. There's enough room up there on the flat top for a football field.
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1 year ago
mrx
LaJunta CO 108 Lamar CO also 108 smashing heat records Denver area was about 100 past couple of days . . . "only 90" Monday Denver area will go from 90 Monday to 30 Tuesday morning - - an astonishing 60 degree drop!! In Colorado, we'll get much rain/snow Tuesday, which will help with some of our out-of-control forest fires. I wish California could get some big rainstorms. R
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1 year ago
mrx
observations probably prophetic they will want to terminate the reporting of membership numbers and baptisms and so on . . . but that will probably be out in the future before the end of statistical reporting. Hard to tell when they get bold enough to refuse to report membership numbers. probably many years will go by with very few new stakes not too many cancellations of wards and stakes
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1 year ago
mrx
The stake with HQ in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia is unlisted. It exists, but is secretly not on any lists. The Saudi government allows the LDS meetings, but the Saudi religious police do not like it at all. Big conflict - ongoing struggle . . . so it has been decided for many decades to keep it somewhat secret . . .
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1 year ago
mrx
re: HOW'S CHURCH GOING NOW? same schedule - either 1st/3rd Sunday or 2nd/4th Sunday Churches are allowed to open in Colorado as long as procedures are followed. Masks definitely required. Limited numbers. Social distancing . . . and so on . . . just common sense . . no actual singing by anybody obviously no handshaking probably safer than going to Walmart
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1 year ago
mrx
Looks like God's only true church on earth (aka TCOJCOLDS) made another colossal blunder. God forgot to inspire the glorious church leaders to make a temple plan that actually makes sense. Nonsensical plan is all they got, and bigtime backfire - - Tooele County is a rural area, and residents don't like sprawl, crowded houses, and the uneasy feeling of being packed in and surrounded by mass
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1 year ago
mrx
President Trump would be flabbergasted . . . In early 1980s San Diego briefly became the #1 LDS baptizing mission in the world. LDS Missionaries discovered where illegal aliens crossed the border and they went out to round them up in busses. Then off to LDS chapels for a couple hours of instruction. They promised that they could help them evade immigration officers if they would get bap
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1 year ago
mrx
Ghawd sure knew what He was doing when He authorized Henry D Moyle to be counselor to Prez McKay 58 - 63. Read all about it http://www.salamandersociety.com/foyer/bogusbaptisms/ I vaguely remember writing that 2 decades ago. nearly bankrupted church baseball baptisms beach party baptisms slave labor (2 year building missions for young boys) outrageous abuse (missionaries told to work
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1 year ago
mrx
Once in the 70s, we played a lot of evening basketball every Wednesday. Men's room had lockers. Once, all my cash was stolen, but they left the wallet. At least the thief was nice enough to leave the wallet. Dumb me - thought there was no need to use a lock in LDS church locker room. Live and learn I guess . . .
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1 year ago
mrx
Sacrament is safe in Colorado - I witnessed the procedure The priests probably washed hands like crazy before meeting. Then slathered hands with hand sanitizer in front of everyone and shook them out to air dry. Advance Preparation done by people using sanitized gloves. Bread placed into water cups and spaced out. Only the people passing were touching the tray. No audience person eve
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1 year ago
mrx
When the church allows missionaries in various parts of the world to stagnate in isolation for months, is that possibly some sort of physical or mental torture? It just seems like TCOJCOLDS is negligent in operating the world-wide missionary program during the pandemic. I guess the church leaders are just blissfully clueless about what to do with the missionary program. Perhaps shutting the
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1 year ago
mrx
Colorado re-opening LDS meetings slowly Today: Fast & Testimony - total time 33 minutes - that's it folks Only one dude (preplanned) was allowed to give testimony. Others were told to record testimony on some facebook thing if they wanted to bear testimony. No singing - just prerecorded music Total attendance: a whopping 35 including 5 full-time missionary elders (16% of the total gr
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1 year ago
mrx
ok we mostly believe that she was the driving force behind ordering the horrendous crime of the murder of her own 2 children. As a practical matter, there's the problem of what can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt? I can certainly see "life without parole" as reasonable, but only if they can really prove a lot of stuff with great evidence, and they will also have to combat all
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1 year ago
mrx
In 1966 (3 years after the Utah law was repealed), a white LDS woman married a black man. The woman had been through the temple rituals. Local bishop/stake president told the woman that due to her marriage choice, she was to be banned from entering the temple, and her "temple endowments are ineffective". President David O McKay overruled the invalidation of the endowment, but upheld
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1 year ago
mrx
Anti-miscegenation Law - makes some mixed race marriages illegal Utah 1888 law made it illegal for a "negro" or "mongolian" (of Asian descent Japanese, Korean, Chinese and so on) to marry a "white person". The 1888 law was in effect until repealed in 1963. Wyoming repealed their anti-miscegenation law in 1965. 14 states still had anti-miscegenation laws on the
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1 year ago
mrx
Article says Lori is unlikely to get out, due to other charges pending in a different county. So she will remain in jail, where she apparently is a model prisoner. I wish she was released, because she would be quite likely to do something wild and wacky and crazy, and that could be interesting. If ever released, she could request no house arrest, but can't leave the county, and can't com
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