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5 months ago
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I watched the Dateline story last night. My wife, who has never been around Mormons finds it even more bizarre than I do. It was hard to explain to her how it could be possible. But basically I said that mormon's scripture has stories where a guy kills a fairly innocent guy because God told him to do it for a supposed greater good. So they study killing for God. Then they are taught that
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5 months ago
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Psychologically it works to keep people in. The more you invest in something, the more you need it to pay off. If someone were only lightly invested, and it wasn't enjoyable, they're out of there. Make them invest a lot of time and money, and they will stay due to the investment in time and money. Psychologically, it is a proven principle. That's why they won't make it easy to be a Mo
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5 months ago
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Say, we speak out about slavery, even though it ended so many years ago. Sometimes saying that something is wrong maters, even years later.
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5 months ago
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If your path is like mine, you will probably be pissed and have a few lingering thoughts about whether or not you are doing the right thing. The pissed off feeling is because you were duped and wasted so much time and money on lies. But for the lingering doubts that might crop up, my suggestion is to read Fawn Brodie's book, No Man Knows My History. If you read that book, you will know 10
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7 months ago
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Warrior71783 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That triangle is a good way to put it. You have > to leave both. The family part of the triangle > has been the harder part for me to get away from. > Crazy how it feels like you are up against > literally two cults. The religion cult and then > the family cult. Many other religions toler
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7 months ago
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Interesting that the mormon church never got it before being published. And didn't hide it in the vault, never to be seen again.
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7 months ago
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What if they ended it with the three Nephites still walking around?
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7 months ago
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Unfortunate, when people are in a cult, they can't be reasoned with. They are inoculated against truth. And there are a hundred ways for cult members to test the strengths of others belief. And they will first try to pull those drifting away back inline. When that doesn't work, they attack and diminish the person. It is a way to inoculate those around against your dangerous thoughts. And
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7 months ago
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I know that there are academics and such that will praise it such as Armand Mauss. But I was meaning just common people talking around you when no mormons were present. I was raised in Utah. I first heard the trash talk when I got a job driving a truck before university. All the drivers running through Utah on the CB made cracks about horns and extra wives and such. When I moved to Arizon
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7 months ago
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want2bx Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > I do think it's sort of odd though that Mormons > often claim to be admired, but in the next breath > they insist that they're persecuted. Interesting thought. That is strange to claim both at the same time.
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7 months ago
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Growing up hearing conference talks and such, I always heard anecdotal stories of famous or powerful people praising the church. Like conversations leaders have with captains of industry etc. Think Paul H. Dunn. But what do people really think? When I was in and claimed it, people would praise it to me also. But after leaving 11 years ago, I was too ashamed of my gullibility to admit that
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7 months ago
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One city in Colorado paid a woman $50,000 for arresting her for showing her boobs in public. What a state, paying people to show their boobs! https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/loveland-woman-charged-for-playing-frisbee-with-fiance-while-topless-wins-50k-settlement
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7 months ago
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Last attended in 2008. Was teaching EQ at the time, but was mixing truth with the lessons and got the job taken away. I was taking things from No Man Knows My History that cited JHS, written by the man himself. And contrasting it to what is taught now. After pushing my luck and getting released, I figured I could do no more good there. So I just stopped going. I moved to a building that y
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7 months ago
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I did attend a nondenominational church with my ex wife a few times. I spent the time whispering in her ear things like, "That's B.S., what about the poor children starving with malnutrition?" As a response to things like if you just believe in Jesus he will take care of all your needs etc. I don't think I could do any church without my B.S. meter always going off.
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7 months ago
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After finding out I was so thoroughly duped, I was skeptical of any other brand. I studied cultural anthropology in university and found that every culture comes up with myths to explain the explainable. It's a flaw us humans have. Some believe the spirit of the forest, or cave. Others some other powerful magical being. But all have something. I decided that it is just human weakness. The
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7 months ago
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I could have left at 16 also. My dad told me that if I dind't go to church, I couldn't live there. So I found an apartment in a city 20 miles away and signed a contract. I wrecked my car that weekend, and so didn't move out. My life would have been so much better if I had. Instead, I stayed for another 25 years. So much wasted time.
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7 months ago
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It's been an interesting discussion. Thanks. It would be enjoyable to discuss in person sometime.
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7 months ago
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If you read Hare's book, Snakes in Suits, you'll see that many psychopaths can run companies and be CEO's.
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7 months ago
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Lot's Wife Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But using Hare, a true psychopath lacks impulse > control and normally doesn't stay with a single > endeavor for very long. In that sense JS wasn't a > typical psychopath. I think his impulse control is evident. Anytime he had an impulse, he just said that God wanted it. Want to have sex with one of
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7 months ago
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My own complaint along these same lines would be: Never having winter boots or gloves as a kid. Having to buy my own clothes from an after school job on a farm starting in 7th grade in the late 70's. Like really, socks, shoes, jeans, coat etc. Every time going to MIA had an event that needed money, I had to come up with it myself. Between 7th grade and 12th grade, I got $20 from my parent
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7 months ago
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Hedning Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am not up on the defining characteristics of > each, but clearly Joseph Smith willfully mislead > and manufactured a religion that many people > suffered, sacrificed and eve died for. He used his > personal charisma and persuasion to seduce women > and relieve men of their wives and fortunes. I
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7 months ago
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When I worked at LDS Family Services, a lady came in and admitted to me that she was having an affair with a missionary, and was hiding him.
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7 months ago
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How about: We are getting ready to make amends to all the descendants and Joseph Smith's bank with the money. Paying them back with interest.
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7 months ago
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My SLC ward on the east side wasn't as bad perhaps. Or maybe I was allowed more being as I wasn't Queer. But I'm sure I probably said more than what she got called in for. When Utah was voting on an amendment to make marriage between a man and a woman, I got the the polling place at the same time as the EQ Pres. I told him that I was going to cancel out his vote.
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7 months ago
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This was a sad article. I haven't been on here much in the past 10 years, so I don't know if she is out and posts here or not. But I hope she has left by now. https://www.the-exponent.com/living-in-silence/
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7 months ago
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Last I went to church was before smart phones. But the tech types had the hymns on their phones or palm pilots. Don't remember which now. I found that odd at the time that they would rather hold their phones, instead of the book. I'm curious what things look like there now with smart phones and people addicted to them. I know my university students can't get through an hour and a half of cla
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7 months ago
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Dave the Atheist Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He's with Waldo. The only Waldo reference I have is from Van Halen's Hot For Teacher video. If he's not with that Waldo, it's over my head.
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7 months ago
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When I was hanging out here 10 years ago or so, Cabbie was a regular here. What happened to him?
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7 months ago
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Sounds like they are digging in their heels on the perfection thing. That idea was already contributing to an epidemic of depression among members in Utah. Having an expectation that you can never live up to is a recipe for depression.
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7 months ago
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When I went to UVU in the late 90's and early 2,000's, there were a lot of good professors who were pushed out of BYU there. I'm sure they enjoyed teaching better when they didn't need a temple recommend to teach.
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