Almost 16 months ago, I posed a question to the board regarding how much tighter the church could clamp down on its members. Today, the church answered that question in a way I could never have anticipated. By punishing children for the actions of their parents, the GAs show themselves to be mean, hateful, petty, and vindictive – just like the puny god they worship. The Mormon church suck
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Sigh. All this rampant ghostophobia, it's practically mediæval. And you can be sure I know what I'm talking about because not only did I use the old-school spelling, but I also used the really cool "æ" character. Not all ghosts are dimwits, especially not the grim grinning ones that are rumored to exist in the distant, fabled land of Anaheim: (spoken) When hinges creak in doorl
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It's been official, canonized, and fully binding on TBMs since 1880… Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol. 2, JOSEPH SMITH — HISTORY: "The account called Joseph Smith — History, as it appears in the Pearl of Great Price, tells of the Prophet's experiences from his early years through May 1829. Franklin D. Richards, an early apostle, extracted this part of Joseph Smith's history from
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"The missionaries, members, and brothers keep texting me and messaging me on Facebook" "I had no idea that letting a nice guy in a suit dunk me in a cold tub of water was going to affect my ENTIRE LIFE." That's what happens when you join a totalitarian obedience cult that's obsessed with controlling every aspect of your life. The pressure will soon start toward getting y
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There was an old woman who lived in a shed To pay for a mission? That's messed in the head. And still paid her tithing, I bet, which is nuts, Obeying her bishop, no doubt. What a putz.
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Your MTC teacher was a loon (but you already knew that). Super Bruce McConkie was an apostle in 1979 (died 1985). Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 493, MILLENNIUM: "4. RIGHTEOUSNESS WILL NOT HASTEN MILLENNIUM. — The time for the beginning of the millennium is fixed. It has been definitely set and is known to the Father. It cannot be advanced by the righteousness of the saints n
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You have two important things going for you – 1. Your scholarship makes you not dependent on your parents for your education. That's huge. It takes away their biggest potential threat to your future. 2. You aren't living with them, so you don't have to deal with "their house, their rules." You get to decide when you see them. "How am I supposed to break away from somet
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What surprises me somewhat is that these weren't distant relatives, but rather your sister and her family – and you had no idea they were capable of behaving this badly. Knowing what you do now, it would be incredibly foolish to allow these pigs a second go at the trough. If you actually do accede to their Thanksgiving expectations, the inevitable train wreck will be on you. Two suggestio
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Are you suggesting the Fellowship of the Nuva Ring? ("…And in the darkness bind them.")
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Why stop at the sun and moon? There are people on Uranus. Okay, according to Orson Pratt, all the planets from Mercury out to Neptune are inhabited, but it's always funnier to focus attention on Uranus. Orson Pratt, 1878, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 19, pp. 294-95: "…Let us, for a moment, consider the planets of our solar system, namely, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus
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Thanks for the more complete story. It looks like I, along with others, jumped the gun. (I would amend my previous post on this thread, but apparently it's too old.)
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"I know a kangaroo court aka Bishop's court is not an option for a resigned member. I stated that in my response to Oneinbillions right before yours." Yes, you did. Fair enough. I had forgotten that by the time I was writing my post. Regarding request vs. directive: In my mind and experience, a "request" is made by a subordinate up the food chain; the other party has the
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Amyjo, I wasn't even talking to you. I was answering Oneinbillions. That should have been evident to you by (1) the fact that my post wasn't indented below yours, as this one is; and (2) my first paragraph, *in quotes* was pasted from OIB's post, and was not original with me. Contrary to your mistaken assumption and concomitant false accusation, I wasn't telling you then, and I'm not telling y
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"or the possibility that they'll ignore my resignation request or even call a 'Court of Love' for me." It's none of my business whether or not you resign, and it doesn't affect me either way. For the same reason, I've never disclosed my own resigned-or-not status. It's simply no one else's concern. But there are a couple of things to address in your post. First, you wouldn't be &q
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"Some of the TBMs I know have been acknowledging that many prophets/apostles, including current, may in fact be dishonest or acting against God's will BUT that it DOESN'T MATTER because the gospel is true." The mere fact that they can say something like this still represents significant progress. I doubt that they'd have been able to acknowledge the possibility of dishonest prophets
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And to think it wasn't that long ago that Monson & Co. were falling all over themselves cozying up to the Vatican. I guess they didn't get the expected benefits. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1422121 http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1445120 Now that Francis has made his big tour and received the attention so craved by (and denied to) the church, Ballard is feasting on sour
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Suggest that the outraged letter writer go to the NY Times with it. We all know how the cult hates bad press, and we can expect a very quick retraction. Or, better, the NY Post. ("MORMONS TO DOLAN: DROP DEAD!") A front page worth saving.
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Here are a couple of prior threads about the Cherokee, mentioned above. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1455677 http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1495042 Those Cherokee, however, are in Colorado; I don't know why your mom is fixated on the Eastern US. You might remind your mom that the profits have never distinguished between western and eastern tribes. Does she still think of
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Well, if JS is to be believed (cue loud laughter), Moroni wore a robe but otherwise went commando. Joseph Smith History 1:31 "He had on a loose robe of most exquisite whiteness. It was a whiteness beyond anything earthly I had ever seen; nor do I believe that any earthly thing could be made to appear so exceedingly white and brilliant. His hands were naked, and his arms also, a little
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I personally have no special insight on this, but it is a subject that appears frequently. Here are some recent discussions that may be of some help. http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1654488 http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1663020 http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1680609 http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1683693 That you are both out is a significant tail wind you can
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The last bat mitzvah I attended consisted of some Torah reading, short talks by the celebrant and the rabbi, and a few songs by the cantor. Everyone was delighted to be there, and no one's head was cut off. So when you compare a murder (even a fictional one) to be as "crazy" as a joyous celebration of a life event, you need to get out more – but if you can't do that, at least shut
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All missionaries are under pressure to produce, just like any other sales reps. That's what they are. This is their (unpaid) job. They're cult pawns, yes, but they're not being "played" any more than I was, or any other of the many returned missionaries on this forum were, on our own missions. They're in no physical danger from church people, but psychological and emotional duress is qu
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I don't know that much about Tumblr, but if it allows comments, you might suggest that the family take out a prominent full-page ad in the Portland newspaper (the Oregonian?) laying out the full story, in detail, all the while naming names. Worst PR for the church in the area, ever. And while I agree that the MP's wife deserves most of the blame, I'm sorry to say that the mother is also accou
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"In the Mormon Church, sex is for the purpose of procreation. I've been taught all along that sexual pleasure is of the devil." That's flat-out nuts. Even Spencer Kimball didn't take such an extreme position. The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 311: "The union of the sexes, husband and wife (and only husband and wife), was for the principal purpose of bringing childr
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"the Vernal, UT temple presidency would be doing a lesson or something to that effect on Wednesday" Mention to the temple prez that you've heard rumors about being given a "new name" in the temple. Ask them to please explain the significance of this new name and why it's important. Come back & tell us what he said. (Some of us were taught that it was our name in the
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I would ask him if he & his dad were pissed that they wasted all that time & effort on those damn plates JS never used or even needed. Then I would ask him if he knew Zelph.
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In the spirit of "ponderize," I offer the following cult-themed portmanteau – Testurbate (v.i.): 1. To bear a testimony using the phrase "I know…" while not truly knowing (i.e., a testiphony); to attempt to "find a testimony in the bearing of one" (q.v. "Packer, Boyd K."); to "fake it till you make it." 2. To bear a testimony in an ef
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"'We've never had a major earthquake in the time Utah has been settled,' Allison said." Depends how you define "major." Utah has in fact experienced one large quake in its settled history, on November 13, 1901. It was centered around Beaver, but the shaking was felt from (N-S) SLC to St. George and (W-E) Panaca NV to Moab. I don't think a retroactive Richter measurement was
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Ugh. That brought back a memory. This was precisely how we got a family of three investigators into the church. At the close of every discussion, my comp and I would sing "I Am a Child of God." He had a guitar, liked to sing, and was fairly good at it. It was torture on me. First, I possess zero talent. My voice is flat and metallic, with a range of about one octave. You'd think t
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My choices to fill up the Q12 have been the same since January. At the time, there were no open seats, so the picks were hypothetical. Their order was as follows: 1. Clayton. The asshat behind Prop 8 and Kate Kelly. Never mind that both were fiascoes – the church doesn't care. He's shown he'll do whatever he's told and whatever it takes, no matter how low. He'll make a great Dark One. 2.
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