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3 months ago
RPackham
elderolddog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >   Bruh! >    ?? def?
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3 months ago
RPackham
One of the most frequent criticisms of the language of the Book of Mormon is the frequent use of the phrase "And it came to pass..." That may well be a valid criticism of the literary style of the supposed translation, but that criticism overlooks the fact that the very same phrase occurs quite frequently in the King James translation of the Bible, over 500 times in the Hebrew Old Testa
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4 months ago
RPackham
A member of my extended family named his son "Jeffrey Dallin" (two-in-one!). It backfired when the guy decided he was really a girl, and changed it legally to "Lynn."
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4 months ago
RPackham
Here's my contribution: A Mormon who lives in Salt Lake Discovered his church was all fake. He told his dear wife, Who threatened his life. Now there's a tough choice he must make.
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4 months ago
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Beth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As one who wouldn’t be able to critique a poem > if my life depended on it, would you mind sharing > why you give this poem a thumbs down? It does not attempt to be a "free form" poem, but rather seems to fall into more traditional poetic forms. (That is not in itself a criticism, but rather to estab
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4 months ago
RPackham
Whether any group is a "cult" depends on how you define the word "cult." Many religious people define as "cult" any group that has beliefs or teachings that they consider heretical (that is, not like their own). Often that definition is phrased as: "A cult teaches false doctrine." That is not a useful definition. For cult experts (people who deal profess
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4 months ago
RPackham
As a closeted poet myself, I would be interested to learn exactly what software you used, and what you fed into it. Maybe I am too critical, but as poetry it isn't very good. Thanks for sharing.
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4 months ago
RPackham
Waiwai Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The Book of Mormon is your first test when you > join the church. The aim isn't to gain a testimony > but to see how much you can spot the > contradictions between it and the teachings of the > modern LDS church. See my summary of those differences: http://packham.n4m.org/bomvslds.htm
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4 months ago
RPackham
See my article on this at http://packham.n4m.org/godhood.htm
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4 months ago
RPackham
To anyone who is in favor of destroying Mormon books, I would ask How would you feel about the morality of Mormon missionaries going to libraries and destroying books critical of Mormonism?
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4 months ago
RPackham
I have the (non-black) first edition, listed there at $150, but It's far too valuable a resource showing Mormon doctrinal stupidity for me to part with it. I think it is a mistake to burn Mormon books or scriptures. How else can one back up claims against them? Any lawyer knows that the most powerful evidence against a witness is the witness' own words.
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5 months ago
RPackham
The changes, even in doctrine, are amazing when they are listed since 1830. See my review of Charles Harrell's book "This Is My Doctrine" at http://packham.n4m.org/doctrine.htm Although the author is LDS and teaches at BYU, his book is neither pro or con.
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5 months ago
RPackham
A possible damper on a Mormon girl's enthusiasm to hold out for and insist on an RM mate might be the fact that 40% of missionaries eventually leave the church. There's no guarantee.
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5 months ago
RPackham
Most confusing bumper sticker: "Honk if you never honk at bumper stickers that say 'Honk if..."
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5 months ago
RPackham
When I was an elder and very devout many years ago, there were very few temples, and most of them were in Utah, You only got a recommend when you had to attend someone's wedding, if you didn't live close to a temple. The recommend was a 3-part carbon, 8½ x 5½ and was for a specific temple. Its ONLY use was to get you into that temple. It was not, as it is today, a membership card or certificat
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5 months ago
RPackham
summer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's a pay-to-play system. Mormon 8:32 prophesied that churches would forgive sins for money
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5 months ago
RPackham
There are several problems with the Mormon insistence that the words must be exactly right: - There are THREE versions of supposedly valid baptismal words in Mormon scriptures: 1. D&C 20:73 has "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ..." This is the only version sanctioned now by the church. 2. 3 Nephi 11:25 (Christ's instructions to the Nephites) is "Having authorit
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5 months ago
RPackham
I don't remember the source For a Mormon car: On my way to GODHOOD! DO NOT PASS!
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5 months ago
RPackham
Yes, it happened to me. When I left Mormon Utah and Idaho (where I had grown up) to do my graduate studies I considered myself to be an unofficial missionary for Mormonism. When I approached fellow students and tried to convert them I discovered that faithful Protestants and Catholics knew more about Mormonism than I did. It was all lies, of course, which I had to check in order to set them s
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5 months ago
RPackham
When I started my freshman year at the Y in the fall of 1950, we all had to take two standardized tests. One was the MMPI test for personality traits. The large reading room in the Heber J. Grant Library was filled with us new students. As we pondered over the written questions, proctors moved around the room ready to help. There was one question that puzzled me: "Do you ever hear voices whe
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5 months ago
RPackham
See my article on this "Romans and Nephites" at http://packham.n4m.org/romans.htm
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9 months ago
RPackham
I visited Nauvoo years ago before they rebuilt the temple, and there was still rubble from the old temple lying around. So I picked up a piece as a souvenir.
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9 months ago
RPackham
I remember vividly the last time I was in a Mormon sacrament meeting about 1996. I was visiting my parents in the town where I grew up, and it was I think Fathers Day, so I went to church with my dad. After several hymns, Dad asked me, "How does it feel, singing the old hymns?" I answered that the hymnal had changed so much that I didn't recognize any of them, and I had been very active
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9 months ago
RPackham
Other problems that no one has mentioned (sfaik): The name "Lucifer" is Latin, which of course was never used when there was no Latin language. Thus no one before Roman times could have had that name. The same with "Jesus" (a Greek version of a Hebrew name - also languages not existent at the time of the "war") The war apparently ended, so the number of souls
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10 months ago
RPackham
That is NOT scriptural! The PoGP says that Kolob is a STAR, and that God lives on a planet NEAR Kolob.
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10 months ago
RPackham
I think I have avoided that problem: I have written my own obituary.
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10 months ago
RPackham
Many people do not know (and I just recently learned), the idea of binding "plates" or sheets of any material into a book was completely unknown to anyone in the world until about the first century CE, and only in Europe. Look up "codex" in any reference work. ("Codex" is the technical term for doing that.) The preferred (and ONLY) method of recording long texts unt
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11 months ago
RPackham
Organizations with top-down authority are frequent. Monarchies, dictatorships... Germany under Hitler operated on the "Fuehrerprinzip" ('the principle of the Leader'): that is, everyone is subject and must obey the leader over them, and that leader must in turn obey his leader, in an authority pyramid with the single "supreme" leader at the top. IIRC, the Nazis admired M
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11 months ago
RPackham
tumwater Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Had a call a few weeks back, it was from a woman > who said "Hello grandpa". I got a call from somebody saying "Hi, grandpa, this is your grandson." I said, "Which one?" He answered "your favorite grandson!" I suspected a scam, so I said "Craig?" (I don't have
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11 months ago
RPackham
"seal," "sealing" Mormons have used it to mean "bind," "connect" - The American Heritage Dictionary acknowledges that the Mormons have given this word a special (and otherwise unknown) meaning. "evangelists" means "patriarchs" Joseph Smith said that "golgotha" meant a "place of burial" He also said that "
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