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3 days ago
RPackham
I visited Nauvoo years ago before they rebuilt the temple, and there was still rubble from the old temple lying around. So I picked up a piece as a souvenir.
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4 days ago
RPackham
I remember vividly the last time I was in a Mormon sacrament meeting about 1996. I was visiting my parents in the town where I grew up, and it was I think Fathers Day, so I went to church with my dad. After several hymns, Dad asked me, "How does it feel, singing the old hymns?" I answered that the hymnal had changed so much that I didn't recognize any of them, and I had been very active
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13 days ago
RPackham
Other problems that no one has mentioned (sfaik): The name "Lucifer" is Latin, which of course was never used when there was no Latin language. Thus no one before Roman times could have had that name. The same with "Jesus" (a Greek version of a Hebrew name - also languages not existent at the time of the "war") The war apparently ended, so the number of souls
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14 days ago
RPackham
That is NOT scriptural! The PoGP says that Kolob is a STAR, and that God lives on a planet NEAR Kolob.
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20 days ago
RPackham
I think I have avoided that problem: I have written my own obituary.
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5 weeks ago
RPackham
Many people do not know (and I just recently learned), the idea of binding "plates" or sheets of any material into a book was completely unknown to anyone in the world until about the first century CE, and only in Europe. Look up "codex" in any reference work. ("Codex" is the technical term for doing that.) The preferred (and ONLY) method of recording long texts unt
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6 weeks ago
RPackham
Organizations with top-down authority are frequent. Monarchies, dictatorships... Germany under Hitler operated on the "Fuehrerprinzip" ('the principle of the Leader'): that is, everyone is subject and must obey the leader over them, and that leader must in turn obey his leader, in an authority pyramid with the single "supreme" leader at the top. IIRC, the Nazis admired M
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7 weeks ago
RPackham
tumwater Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Had a call a few weeks back, it was from a woman > who said "Hello grandpa". I got a call from somebody saying "Hi, grandpa, this is your grandson." I said, "Which one?" He answered "your favorite grandson!" I suspected a scam, so I said "Craig?" (I don't have
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2 months ago
RPackham
"seal," "sealing" Mormons have used it to mean "bind," "connect" - The American Heritage Dictionary acknowledges that the Mormons have given this word a special (and otherwise unknown) meaning. "evangelists" means "patriarchs" Joseph Smith said that "golgotha" meant a "place of burial" He also said that "
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2 months ago
RPackham
RPackham Wrote: > > There doesn't seem to be a connection with > Mormonism: > https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587882/bio/?ref_=nmpu > b_sa_1 I apologize deeply for my mistaken information!
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2 months ago
RPackham
auntsukey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is it an eye-opening look at sex-trafficking or an > LDS/QANON exploitation. > > Is Tim related to Elder Ballard? > > Why did Disney shelve the film? > > Is crowd-sourced Angel films an LDS company? > > Have you seen the movie? Thoughts? There doesn't seem to be a connection
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2 months ago
RPackham
One of the most well-known and beloved old Mormon hymns that comforted the Saints as they trekked to Zion is "Come, come Ye Saints," where each verse ends with the phrase "All is well, all is well!" But the Book of Mormon specifically condemns anyone saying that all is well in Zion: 2 Nephi 28:21,25 - "Woe be unto him that crieth: All is well!" For more contrad
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3 months ago
RPackham
If you combine Mormon doctrines on "authority" with the D&C 121:37ff teaching that the priesthood authority will be withdrawn if improperly used, the Mormon cannot come up with an explanation - see http://packham.n4m.org/authority.htm
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3 months ago
RPackham
There are about a dozen questions in my article "How to Stump a Mormon" at http://packham.n4m.org/stump.htm More are at "Unasked questions about Mormonism" http://packham.n4m.org/unasked.htm Another good one: JS taught in "Teachings of the Prophet JS" that one way to identify a false revelation is that it contradicts a previous revelation. I can think of
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4 months ago
RPackham
I hate Google with a passion! Somehow my Google password got lost, and it has been completely impossible for me to retrieve it, or to open a new account. I have tried dozens of times over the past year, and Google does not even have a "help" option other than their users' forum. I follow their instructions, but the last step is always to send them a "code" that they send me
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4 months ago
RPackham
Lots of laughs: https://tubitv.com/tv-shows/200000162/s01-e102-andrew-hobbs-a-joke-unless-it-works?autoplay=true
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4 months ago
RPackham
I have long ago done this analysis: see my FAQ "Is Mormonism a Cult?" at http://packham.n4m.org/cult.htm
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5 months ago
RPackham
To get a feeling of the truth about this, compare membership claims in countries where the census asks your religious affiliation. Consistently the church records claim three or four times as many members as citizens who claim affiliation with the church. Although it isn't up to date, I reported some comparisons in "FAQ: How many exmormons are there?" http://packham.n4m.org/morexm
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5 months ago
RPackham
The whole idea of the Restoration is trouble for the Mormon claims. I discuss this thoroughly in my article "Apostasy and Authority" at http://packham.n4m.org/authority.htm In the final analysis it falls apart.
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6 months ago
RPackham
See my list of contradictions in Mormonism at http://packham.n4m.org/contra.htm And in the Bible at http://packham.n4m.org/bible.htm#CONTRA
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6 months ago
RPackham
No! I GAINED a testimony: that the Mormon church was not true. In the spirit of truth and knowledge, I bear my personal testimony to all. I know, as well as anyone can know anything, that the Mormon church is not what it claims to be; that it was not established by divine guidance; that it is not directed by divinely inspired leaders; that Joseph Smith was not a prophet, but rather a swindler,
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6 months ago
RPackham
In my home town in Idaho (Blackfoot) the former stake tabernacle (what nowadays would be called the stake house) is today a mortuary. https://www.hawkerfuneralhome.com/
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6 months ago
RPackham
Nobody has come up with any such mention. Don't think that Christian apologists haven't tried. Desperately.
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6 months ago
RPackham
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/key-takeaways-aps-report-chinas-influence-utah-98149071 Prominent Utah officials favoring China, influential Chinese joining LDS, etc.
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6 months ago
RPackham
Nightingale wrote: >My biggest problem was thinking you cannot go back on sacred promises,... A covenant is a contract, based on mutual promises and on the existence of certain facts understood and accepted by both parties. I promise to do this if you promise to do that. Both legally and morally, if one party doesn't keep his part of the bargain, or if it should turn out that the basi
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7 months ago
RPackham
See my article "Mormon Lying" at http://packham.n4m.org/lying.htm It has all the details, and more examples.
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7 months ago
RPackham
Hmm... That's more serious than most people think. Put the following together: D&C 129:7 7 ...it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive;... 2 Nephi 9:34 34 Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell. Jeremiah 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully... AND THEN: Doctrine & Covenants (D&C)121:36-37 says th
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10 months ago
RPackham
Nowadays when we think of a "book" we imagine a stack of pages, usually paper, covered with writing and connected at one edge. It may have a cover or not. But it was not always so. In ancient times when people talked about a "book" they were referring to what we call a "scroll." Our "book" is technically a "codex" (plural: codices). Now, here
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1 year ago
RPackham
A Mormon who lives in Salt Lake Discovered the church is just fake. He told his dear wife Who threatened his life. He now has a tough choice to make.
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1 year ago
RPackham
I have two examples, from devout Mormons who know me well, that make me think that Mormon "repentance" isn't what it's supposed to be. One, an older man and former bishop, committed adultery with his wife's friend. He confessed to his wife and his bishop, and was disfelowshipped for a year. He commented later to me that it was worth it - "she sure wasn't like my wife!" A
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